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To: Philistone

‘I’m sorry that your child was killed by a drunk driver, but that doesn’t give you the right to pull my car over at random and search me or it. ‘

You don’t have a ‘right’ to drive. Sorry, your just wrong about this one. The others I tend to agree with. But driving is not a ‘right’ under any interpretation of the Constitution.


2 posted on 09/18/2007 9:41:39 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Badeye
You don’t have a ‘right’ to drive. Sorry, your just wrong about this one.

But he does have a right of protection against unreasonable search and/or seizure...

10 posted on 09/18/2007 9:44:42 AM PDT by Snardius
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To: Badeye
But driving is not a ‘right’ under any interpretation of the Constitution.

Neither is walking down the street.

17 posted on 09/18/2007 9:47:34 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Take the wheel, Fred.)
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To: Badeye

“You don’t have a ‘right’ to drive. Sorry, your just wrong about this one. The others I tend to agree with. But driving is not a ‘right’ under any interpretation of the Constitution.”

I think he was talking about unreasonable searches, you know amendment four, not the ‘right’ to drive.


18 posted on 09/18/2007 9:48:12 AM PDT by CJ Wolf (Tagline space for rent. FRmail me for prices and terms and conditions. willing to barter...)
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To: Badeye

Has nothing to do with safety; it’s about the cops “showing” that they’re “doing something”, and about money — getting people on anything they can to generate revenue for the city or town. They could care less about you or your children.


20 posted on 09/18/2007 9:48:22 AM PDT by Clock King (Bring the noise!)
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To: Badeye
‘I’m sorry that your child was killed by a drunk driver, but that doesn’t give you the right to pull my car over at random and search me or it. ‘

You don’t have a ‘right’ to drive. Sorry, your just wrong about this one. The others I tend to agree with. But driving is not a ‘right’ under any interpretation of the Constitution.


Under common law you have a right to use your own property. We weakened that right by telling people that driving is a privilege. That still does not give you the right to use that property in an unsafe manner, as in being drunk. Just as the right to bear arms does not give you the right to shoot people.

Using your own car is a common law right we have given up.
21 posted on 09/18/2007 9:48:28 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Badeye

“You don’t have a ‘right’ to drive.”

When you are in possession of a valid license, you damn well DO have the right to drive. Nobody claimed that right was Constitutionally protected one. The Constitution does not grant rights, bud. It protects them.


22 posted on 09/18/2007 9:48:40 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Badeye
You don’t have a ‘right’ to drive. Sorry, your just wrong about this one. The others I tend to agree with. But driving is not a ‘right’ under any interpretation of the Constitution.

Regardless, we still have a Constitutional protection from illegal search and seizure. . .
23 posted on 09/18/2007 9:48:55 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Badeye

Your right. Driving is not referred to in the Constitution; neither is abortion.


26 posted on 09/18/2007 9:50:11 AM PDT by mosaicwolf
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To: Badeye
You don’t have a ‘right’ to drive. Sorry, your just wrong about this one. The others I tend to agree with. But driving is not a ‘right’ under any interpretation of the Constitution.

No, but being secured in one's person, possessions, and papers against unreasonable search and seizure is a right. I don't give a damn if the car is on a public road. You don't forfeit your Constitutional rights when you start your car.
27 posted on 09/18/2007 9:50:11 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: Badeye

He never claimed driving was a right.


28 posted on 09/18/2007 9:50:57 AM PDT by packrat35 (PIMP my Senate. They're all a bunch of whores anyway!)
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To: Badeye
You don’t have a ‘right’ to drive. Sorry, your just wrong about this one. The others I tend to agree with. But driving is not a ‘right’ under any interpretation of the Constitution.

#1 - Lighten up, Francis! No where did the poster declare, imply, or infer that the U.S. Constitution granted anyone the right to drive.

#2 - If you think rights are granted to citizens in the constitution, then you're either a troll or you don't understand Conservatism very well. The Constitution clearly defines the (very limited, or supposed to be) powers that the Federal Government may exercise, not the rights that citizens may enjoy.

51 posted on 09/18/2007 10:06:29 AM PDT by Ignatz (Soylent green is people, too!)
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To: Badeye

Check out the 4th Amend.


55 posted on 09/18/2007 10:09:26 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Badeye; Philistone; JamesP81

Phil, that’s a fine rant but Badeye is correct about the driving. Like owning a home, owning a car and driving it within the limits of the law is a privilege.


71 posted on 09/18/2007 10:20:32 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Badeye

He doesn’t state that he has the ‘right’ to drive.

Interestingly enough, during the horse-and-buggy days, the courts took on this question and determined that we DO have a right to drive. That’s been interpreted to mean “as long as there’s a horse pulling the carriage”. Somewhere between the horses and the reciprocating engine, the guvmint decided this is no longer a right but a privilege. I guess one could say he’s sorry about that as well.


90 posted on 09/18/2007 10:33:37 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Badeye
But driving is not a ‘right’ under any interpretation of the Constitution.

Unless, of course, you're an undocumented worker in California. Then laws are changed, seas are parted & heaven and earth are moved to facilitate your right to drive.

103 posted on 09/18/2007 10:40:58 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Badeye; Philistone; inneroutlaw
You don’t have a ‘right’ to drive.

Wrong, and we've been over this before.

Driving is a Right - Not a Privilege

172 posted on 09/18/2007 11:53:07 AM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Badeye
“You don’t have a ‘right’ to drive. Sorry, your just wrong about this one. The others I tend to agree with. But driving is not a ‘right’ under any interpretation of the Constitution.”

You do have constitutional right against unreasonable search and seizure. Just because you happen to be driving at the time, in no way lessons that right. Sorry, you are just wrong.

206 posted on 09/18/2007 2:00:16 PM PDT by monday
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To: Badeye
You don’t have a ‘right’ to drive. Sorry, your just wrong about this one. The others I tend to agree with. But driving is not a ‘right’ under any interpretation of the Constitution.

Sorry, but you are the one who is wrong. The Founding Fathers wanted post roads built by the government. While the primary purpose was delivering the mail, they recognized that these roads would aid in commerce that would strengthen the economy and the nation. The government uses public money and sometimes eminent domain to build these roads. The use of these general powers over the people means that use of the roads is a public right. Like any other public right, there can be some limits set on how that right is exercised. Free speech is a right, but someone may not shout in a residential neighborhood at two in the morning. However, beyond limited and reasonable restrictions, driving is a right. Those who have persuaded you otherwise are ignorant of the intent of the Founding Fathers.

Bill

223 posted on 09/18/2007 7:07:51 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Badeye
You have a right to travel. It has been well settled in law that a right implies methods of exercising that right, and certain modes of exercising a right can be regulated under the state's police power.

By saying there is no right, this immediately becomes, by default, a permission and privilege granted by the law making body. You are coming from the perception you have assumed from repeated repetitions by public officials that "driving is a privilege".

Nothing can be farther from the truth. It is just what they say.

255 posted on 09/19/2007 7:13:12 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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