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Torvalds attacks Microsoft over open source
ZDNet UK ^ | Tuesday, August 14 2007 09:14 AM | Richard Thurston, ZDNet UK

Posted on 08/14/2007 10:46:11 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Microsoft is spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt among open source users, Linus Torvalds said in an interview published last week.

The software giant is falling short with its technology and, because it cannot win against open source on price, it is trying to encourage inertia in the IT industry, the creator of the Linux operating system said.

Microsoft has been at the centre of considerable controversy over the last 12 months, mainly ;arising from its statements on open source and its technology partnerships with a range of Linux distributors.

Microsoft has claimed that open source software violates 235 of its patents, but says it will not sue open source users at the moment. It is this type of claim which angers Torvalds.

"I personally think it's mainly another shot in the FUD [fear, uncertainty and doubt] war," Torvalds said in the interview with Computerworld in the United States. "Microsoft has a really hard time competing on technical merit, and they traditionally have instead tried to compete on price. But that obviously doesn't work either, not against open source."

"So they'll continue to bundle packages and live off the inertia of the marketplace, but they want to feed that inertia with FUD," he said.

As well as making assertions over patents, Microsoft has also caused a stir in the open source world by forming partnerships with Linux distributors, the largest one being Novell.

But despite the controversy, Torvalds remains nonplussed. "I don't actually think the Novell-Microsoft agreement kind of thing matters all that much in the end, but it's interesting to see the signs that the sides are at least talking to each other.

"I don't know what the end result will be, but I think it would be healthier for everybody if there wasn't the kind of rabid hatred on both sides," he told Computerworld.

Torvalds also addressed the issue of the slow uptake of open source software in businesses, saying that there is considerable inertia when it comes to operating systems.

"These things don't take a year or two. They take a decade or two," he said. "We've come a long way in those 16 years [since the creation of Linux]. Is there a long way to go? Sure. There are technical issues, support infrastructure and just people's perceptions that just take a long time to sort out."

Microsoft could offer no response to Torvalds' comments at the time of writing.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: linux; microsoft; oss
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Note that this interview preceds the Judges rendering a decision on SCO and its claim on Unix patents......
1 posted on 08/14/2007 10:46:13 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: ShadowAce

fyi


2 posted on 08/14/2007 10:47:13 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Granddaughters!!!)
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; ..

3 posted on 08/14/2007 12:07:24 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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Its no wonder Linus has started to become the defunct, and quite unwilling, spokesperson for the OSS community.


4 posted on 08/14/2007 12:16:58 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Linus is always a breath of fresh air in open source. It counters the stink from Stallman and our resident troll.


5 posted on 08/14/2007 12:25:08 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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“defunct” ??


6 posted on 08/14/2007 12:27:02 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

oops wrong word *I’m am so sick today it defies all reason that I’m here* I meant to say De Facto..


7 posted on 08/14/2007 12:33:17 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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Take care of yourself,...have some chicken soup.....

Like your tagline!

8 posted on 08/14/2007 12:46:38 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Granddaughters!!!)
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I’m am so sick today it defies all reason that I’m here

Welcome to the club.

9 posted on 08/14/2007 12:47:11 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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he was using open office for spell checking.

it happens............


10 posted on 08/14/2007 12:47:47 PM PDT by postaldave (republicans need spending rehab before trying to control congress again.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Microsoft, being a member of the CCIA, along with Google and Yahoo!, ought to know whereof they speak (out of both sides of their mouths).

HF

11 posted on 08/14/2007 1:41:04 PM PDT by holden
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> Linus is always a breath of fresh air in open source. It counters the stink from Stallman and our resident troll.

Yes, this is certainly the kind of thread that GE can't resist. Since there's no chance in hell that Stallman would post on FR, I'll add this note:

Linux Torvalds is NOT "the creator of the Linux operating system".

He is the primary author and maintainer of the Linux kernel, which with the GNU operating system utilities and tools developed by Stallman and others, forms the operating system known popularly as "Linux", or to the righteous followers of RMS, the "GNU/Linux" operating system.

Personally I don't give a crap what Stallman thinks or says any more, but it annoys me when Torvalds gets all credit for the entire operating system. I used the GNU tools for years before I'd even heard of Linux, and appreciate their value independent of Linux (I mainly ran them under BSD).
12 posted on 08/14/2007 2:26:38 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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> Microsoft is spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt among open source users, Linus Torvalds said in an interview published last week.

In other news, frogs were found to have watertight rectums, wild bears were discovered to defecate in wooded areas, and in this development just in, we have received reports that the Pope is Catholic. Details at 11....

13 posted on 08/14/2007 2:32:16 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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Linus needs his blanket back apparently, with several web counters showing Linux use on the decline and even Apache dropping like a rock at netcraft he better find it quick.


14 posted on 08/15/2007 5:34:40 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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"I don't know what the end result will be, but I think it would be healthier for everybody if there wasn't the kind of rabid hatred on both sides,"

Wow GE, it sounds like he's talking directly to you. Is it sinking in yet that you are swimming with the leftist free software radicals in the same stagnant, stinking pool?

15 posted on 08/15/2007 6:33:09 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
Also interesting according to Netcraft was that there was another Apache dip/Microsoft rise in 2002, but Apache rose and Microsoft sank after that.

I have no problem with it anyway. IIS 6 is the first IIS that is a decent product (Finally, multiple sites and worker processes!!), doubling the Microsoft "third time's the charm" rule, although it still has serious basic problems. And IIS 7 might actually be as good as Apache since Microsoft is copying the modular architecture.

As I say: May the best software win. Or would you prefer I be a "TW" and stick with Apache just because Microsoft has done bad things?

BTW, for reference, here are the relative architecture (sys call) diagrams for IIS and Apache:

IIS

Apache

Now you see why IIS has problems.

16 posted on 08/15/2007 6:48:18 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Apache. Elegant.
17 posted on 08/15/2007 6:53:53 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Very Proud Dad of LCpl Smoothguy242 USMC of 1/3 Marines, now fighting for freedom, on duty in Iraq.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Is it sinking in yet that you are swimming with the leftist free software radicals in the same stagnant, stinking pool?

There aren't many of you here, actually. Just a few motormouths that post a lot, mostly to yourselves.

18 posted on 08/15/2007 7:33:15 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: antiRepublicrat
Now you see why IIS has problems.

It's called features. And why most https sites and Fortune 1000 companies use IIS. More secure too, according to secunia. Only 3 known holes in IIS 6 after almost 5 years, amazing.

19 posted on 08/15/2007 7:43:33 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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There aren't many of you here, actually

There are none of us here. There's only one Stallman-esque philosophical software radical on this board.

20 posted on 08/15/2007 8:04:07 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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