Posted on 07/06/2007 8:32:39 PM PDT by tnarg
"When I grew up, being gay, being a sissy or anything like that, was verboten," Chamberlain tells NBC. "I disliked myself intensely and feared this part of myself intensely and had to hide it."
It is not pleasant being homosexual.
Ok. The debate is on. Those who say a person is born gay. Those who say a person chooses gay.
So the room heats up with every emotion possible as the two go at it.
Which is it?
Some biblically religious state that God would not make a homosexual. Therefore, the homosexual chooses to be one; therefore, he is at fault at best and at sin at worst.
The 'other side' says that deity has nothing to do with it. A person is born homosexual — period. It's just a fact of biological reality.
Then we have Esera Tuaolo, 34, NFL player for nine years, who reveals that he is homosexual in an HBO interview on "Real Sports".
Athlete tough guy tells the world that he retired early in 1999 because of excessive frustration over keeping to himself his sexual orientation.
He told reporters that "they didn't know who Esera Tuaolo is." He claims that most of his public life was nothing more than acting out a part that was not fact.
Tuaolo, native of Hawaii, went into severe depression over his orientation, so much so that at times when driving at high speeds he contemplated twisting the wheel in the direction of ending-it-all. His head got that bad.
Tuaolo's remarks remind me of Rosie O'Donnell's TV dialogue with Barbara Walters. Rosie stated she was born homosexual. She said that no one would choose that lifestyle for it is laden with too much anguish; in other words, anyone in her right mind would choose heterosexual.
Back to the debate: I side with those who conclude that a person is born homosexual. And that does no disservice to God.
If one reads Genesis' first chapters, these verses state that when God created all things planetary, all was good. But there was a snake in the garden. Eve yielded to the snake's lure. Then Adam. And so both sphere and soul fell, that is, both became severely damaged due to mortals’ disobedience.
That damage impregnates everything, including the sexual nature of male and female.
In the heterosexual, not all is well, for sure. For instance, there is always the striving to return to marital paradise between heterosexual husband and wife. Sometimes it works; sometimes it doesn't.
In the 'original sin' damage dealt to a spiritually fallen world, some mortals are thereby conceived with a homosexual bent--plain and simple. They grow up with that bent. At puberty they sense it come to the fore. As adolescence progresses, it becomes more pronounced.
Most deal with the latter realization with as many emotions as there are homosexuals--confusion, angst, denial, anger, depression, fear, faithlessness, and so forth.
Some 'out' with it; the vast majority live with the secret.
However, if one can understand biblical truth, one can begin to grapple with the spiritual aspect of the situation so as not to blame God. The snake is the one to blame—along with our first parents.
Eve and Adam went for snake's bait. All humans sadly have paid the awful personal price ever since, some being dealt another-than-heterosexual bent.
Bottom-lines according to the Bible:
Homosexual orientation is not a sin.
Homosexual practice is a sin.
Heterosexual practice outside of marriage is a sin.
Therefore, both homosexual and single heterosexual believers call upon the Holy Spirit’s fruit of discipline to live the victorious spiritual life.
true. all true.
the present fad of blessing the homosexual lifestyle is evil and of satan. those denominations proclaiming such sin are apostate. some say this is another sign of the ‘end times.’ could very well be.
the biblical believers must proclaim the biblical truth without compromise.
i pray for those biblical believers caught in the apostate denominations for they are persecuted for remaining true to the divine revelation.
the biblical believer has one source of ‘research’ final. that is the bible believed by faith as divine revelation.
when it comes to that which is ‘distasteful’ in sexuality, there is much in heterosexual practice that may be regarded by some as ‘distasteful.’
there is much in homosexual practice that is considered by some as ‘distasteful’ and, as far as biblical believers are concerned, is sinful.
Um, what does that have to do with what I said? Homosexuality is a sin. So is drug use. But to BE an addict, it has to start with an experience.THAT is what I was addressing in regards to homosexuality.
back around 1970 my father flew back from business in Europe with only two other passengers in First Class. One was Ava Gardner and the other was Richard Chamberlain.
Chamberlain was rude to both my father and Ava Gardner. My father and Ms Gardner got along well and spent several hours discussing a script she was considering for a cameo in a Paul Newman movie, The Life And Times of Judge Roy Bean. From the time I learned that story I haven’t liked Chamberlain (though I liked Shogun).
Finding out he was gay several years ago explained a lot. If he hated himself so much, as this article explains, then it’s no surprise that he was a miserable putz to others.
Poor baby! Whoa is me.
thanks for sharing such an interesting account.
o, ok. thanks.
yeah. ‘poor baby’ in many dimensions. i believe you would agree?
Imprinting might have gone somewhere if some yahoos hadn’t dreamed up “gay rights” and “born that way”. If the theory was right, what might have been accomplished and how many would it have helped. We’ll never know. And I believe that God gives man the knowledge and answers to help himself whether it’s by Divine intervention or a cure for a disease.
there are those who did not ‘dream up’ what you state as ‘born that way’. they have concluded ‘born that way’ from their biblical research / study. that is what the post is all about.
Sodom and Gomorra keeps coming to mind. God destroyed two cities just because he wanted to? No, he destroyed theses cities because of their homosexual perversion.
yes.
the divine means what he says.
ANTI-HOMOSEXUAL PASSAGES IN THE BIBLE
Leviticus 18:22: “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”
Leviticus 20:13: “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.”
Romans 1:18-32: “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. . .For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools. . .
“Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. . .
“For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire towards one another, men with men committed indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
“God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, malice; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice. . .without understanding. . . and, although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.”
I Corinthians 6:9: “Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
Should we forgive Ava for aborting her child with Frank Sinatra (aka “Ava’s Gardner”).
I read an interview by Anton LeVeys son. He stated that he did not believe “born gay” and that it was thought up based on the civil rights movement. He said a “gay gene” will never be found. But he’s still pushing gay rights.
what the theological liberal homosexual lifestyle endorsers do regarding that passage is to so misinterpret it thusly: they state that the divine destroyed the two cities with fire and brimstone because the inhabitants were not hospitable to the men clamoring at lot’s door.
they say it was INHOSPITALITY that brought about such leveling of two major cities!! that is the length to which these enthusiasts will go to condone their sin.
liberal seminaries adopt the same misinterpretations.
homosexual ‘religious’ web sites do the same.
the metropolitan church, a worldwide homosexual church originated by a backslidden evangelical, has various misinterpretations of the biblical passages sited above. these misinterpretations have been adopted by such denominations as the episcopal church usa, united church of christ (congregational) and unitarian / universalist society.
interesting
hmmmmmmmmmm
Preaching to the choir. But, preach on brother, preach on. Amen!
for more devilment regarding the metropolitan community churches worldwide, check this out http://www.mccchurch.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home
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