Mac OS X 10.5 delayed to ensure Vista compatibility?

itWire ^ | March 25, 2007

[jdm]

Has Apple delayed Mac OS X 10.5 - aka Leopard - to October? That's certainly what some unnamed industry sources have claimed, suggesting the delay has been made to allow the company's coders to get the OS' Boot Camp utility compatible with Windows Vista.

[SunkenCiv]

Atsiv we believe anything much is compatible with Vista to necessitate such a delay...

[Golden Eagle]

Thanks, VMware has been in a virtualization class of its own till now, but Parallels has definitely made a name for itself as of late with what they're doing with Apple.

[theFIRMbss]

>VMware has been in a virtualization class of its own till now, but Parallels has definitely made a name for itself

As if nowadays
OS software by itself
ain't complicated

enough, let's all add
juggling stubs under them . . . Now
we're gonna deal with

applications that
have code cores and script front ends,
giant OS's,

and now extra code
to juggle all of that crap
two or three balls high . . .

I bet we're building
a software environment
that's going to see

some big-time crashes
unlike past environments
ever imagined.

[Golden Eagle]

There's definitely a convergence that's going on, to maximixe the capability of existing hardware including running dispatate operating systems on the same box, but what's scariest of all is this "web 2.0" push to move everything to the network "cloud". It's one thing to have your system crash, but it's even worse when "your" systems are somewhere else and they crash. 1-800-you-pray

[theFIRMbss]

>There's definitely a convergence that's going on, to maximixe the capability of existing hardware including running dispatate operating systems on the same box, but what's scariest of all is this "web 2.0" push to move everything to the network "cloud". It's one thing to have your system crash, but it's even worse when "your" systems are somewhere else and they crash

And a funny point
is that people who really
use computers for

cool and wild NEW things--
like the fans of MakingThings--
are happy to use

a simple, tiny
real-time kernal that doesn't
get in someone's way.

[George W. Bush]

An Apple spokesman has countered these rumors, saying Leopard is on schedule for a Spring 2007 launch.

Late May, early June. I expect they'll ship before WWDC so that the industry folks have a copy in advance of WWDC so that the Leopard sessions will be more productive due to developers and media writers being able to have some familiarity with Leopard and be able to ask proper questions of the Apple development team.

End of May is my guess. Probably the Friday of the third week.

[Golden Eagle]

You're right, it's much easier to get something working in a tightly controlled environment, rather than being exposed to the idiosyncrasies of many different products trying to simultaneously coexist. It's one of the main reasons I use Windows on most all of my servers, almost everything loaded on the servers came directly from that one vendor, making it a more tightly integrated environment, but their portfolio is so diverse I'm not lacking any features. Apple is doing the same thing to the home market, with great success of late.

[Golden Eagle]

Leopard is on schedule for a Spring 2007 launch

Great, it's already by far the best *nix desktop out there, what's your guess on the "mystery features"?

[theFIRMbss]

>what's your guess on the "mystery features"?

[Golden Eagle]

Apple is actually more substance than style lately, those commercials being about the only thing they're not doing exactly right LOL.

[RachelFaith]

I am posting on such a system right now. I have only MAC hardware now and sold my two PC notebooks. You can even make complete images of previous XP drives and boot them in Mac. I have half a dozen XP bootable machines, all on my one iMac.

[George W. Bush]

I'm thinking a new desktop GUI, probably with 3d elements, like Beryl for Linux but configurable. The old Aqua looks a bit stale to me. Maybe they'll FINALLY replace that idiotic Finder. There's no good reason to have such poor file management on a UNIX machine. Even Windows Explorer leaves it in the dust.

Some of the other basic configuration utilities need updating. I think NetInfo is extremely lame. It's no better than the Registry on Windows.

I'm thinking file management and system config utilities that will make OS X as easy to configure and manage as Ubuntu Linux. Of course, with all the other new stuff (Time Machine, ZFS, virtual desktops, CoreAnimation, resolution-independence, etc.).

There will be tie-ins for AppleTV and iPhone. I think they'll put an AppleTV interface on every Leopard Mac. They started this with FrontRow for most Macs. I think they'll universalize it with Leopard. It ties in with the 802.11n network cards in the new iMacs/laptops/MacPro. And with the AppleTV and the new 802.11n Airport.

[racing fan]

I was at woz.org and they have autograph copies for sale.

[racing fan]

The copies are his books.

[George W. Bush]

I didn't know about woz.org. A little odd that he wrote a book called iWoz after so many years away from the company. He's a quirky genius though and for about 15 years he was the Apple cult figure. Nowadays, Jobs is the undisputed Apple cult leader. Jobs has a vision for the company and its products, a way of organizing a design team, building up his stores and distribution channels. A complete corporate manager but with a passion for Apple gadgets and computers. It's not just product lines he's after. He wants to design and sell an entire Apple lifestyle with all the tech gadgets integrated with the computer. And Apple waiting at the other end of the internet to scoop up the iTunes profits and make money on new hardware.

Jobs has really hit his corporate stride. With Gates, people admired his money and his market position. With Jobs, they admire the man and his passion and the money is only a part of his success. With Jobs, it's more about the products and the vision than it is profits or marketshare. But he does love being successful too.

When Jobs retires, Apple could be holding 20% of the computer market, 20% of the cellphone market and 60%-70% of the portable player market. And never sell his products at commodity prices.

[theFIRMbss]

>A little odd that he wrote a book called iWoz after so many years away from the company

Have you read the book?
The book itself is . . . quirky.
The stories are fun,

But there's a sameness
to almost all the stories.
Most of them feature

Woz misunderstood
or unappreciated
or somehow abused . . .

The image I got
is that Woz is VERY smart
but has some glitches

to his character
that he hasn't dealt with yet.
But it's worth the read.

[Golden Eagle]

I'm thinking a new desktop GUI, probably with 3d elements, like Beryl for Linux but configurable.

Beryl has more options as it is, but that is because like most open source it is more of a science fair project than a luxury item item such as OSX.

I'm thinking file management and system config utilities that will make OS X as easy to configure and manage as Ubuntu Linux.

Hilarious, I've had more trouble with Linux installers including synaptic than any thing I've tried including BSD. The only one that's close to anything I'd rely on is Red Hat, but then you pay as much as you pay for anything out there, and of that group it's at the bottom.

There will be tie-ins for AppleTV and iPhone. I think they'll put an AppleTV interface on every Leopard Mac. They started this with FrontRow for most Macs. I think they'll universalize it with Leopard.

Now you're making sense. Easy access to what most people want - voice and video. Without even having to decide which version of Vista they want, much less deal with all the issues with Linux. Does Ubuntu even include a simple DVD decoder yet LOL?

[Swordmaker]

See? Told you so... ;^)>

Apple releases Boot Camp 1.2 Beta with Vista Support

[theFIRMbss]

>See? Told you so...

It's just a beta
and it's still a standalone.
This doesn't mean that

the OS will not
be delayed. In fact, this might
be out as beta

because Apple knows
the final OS code's late . . .
I don't trust Apple.