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Microsoft calls IBM hypocritical on document standards
CNet News ^ | February 14, 2007 | Martin LaMonica

Posted on 02/14/2007 2:23:21 PM PST by Señor Zorro

Microsoft is accusing rival IBM of orchestrating a campaign to block efforts to standardize Office document formats.

In an open letter released Wednesday, Microsoft executives contend that IBM is trying to influence the standards process to limit choice. It also said that IBM is encouraging governments to mandate a document format that IBM favors.

The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) is in the process of evaluating Microsoft's Office Open XML (OOXML)--the default document formats in Microsoft Office 2007--as a standard. Such a ratification would be significant, particularly to governments that favor ISO certification for digital documents.

IBM and other Microsoft competitors favor OpenDocument Format (ODF), a format that has been standardized at the ISO. Government customers, including Massachusetts and some European countries, back ODF.

Microsoft contends that IBM is trying "to force ODF on users through public procurement mandates," which would have a negative effect on customers and the marketplace.

The open letter is signed by Tom Robertson, Microsoft's general manager for interoperability and standards, and by Jean Paoli, the company's general manager of interoperability and XML architecture.

In an interview with CNET News.com, Robertson said that IBM is "orchestrating a broad-based campaign" to prevent the ISO from even considering OOXML for standardization.

"We see a level of hypocrisy in IBM's activities...They have long called on us to standardize formats, make the IP (intellectual property) freely available to the broader community, and we've done it. Now that that is done, they are putting a lot of resources to block standardization" of OOXML, Robertson said. "IBM is fundamentally on the wrong side of the industry."

Contacted on Tuesday, an IBM representative declined to comment via phone or e-mail.

In the past, IBM representatives--and other Microsoft foes--have called OOXML technically flawed and not fully "open" because it is controlled by Microsoft.

Robertson said that Microsoft chose to publish the letter to "shine a light" on IBM's activities. He noted that IBM was the only representative to vote against making OOXML a standard at Ecma International, another Europe-based standards body.

He declined to offer more details on IBM's activities because the ISO standardization process is closed.

"Part of (the open letter) is to highlight what IBM is doing and its fundamentally negative implications for customers and the industry as a whole," Robertson said.

Following standardization late last year at Ecma, Microsoft submitted Open XML to ISO through its "fast-track" process, which takes several months.

During an initial 30-day comment period, which ended earlier this month, there were 20 country representatives at ISO that made "contradictions," or comments, on the Open XML specification, according to people familiar with the proceedings. The comments, which could be minor, came from nearly one-third of the total 66 country representatives at the ISO, according to Andrew Updegrove, an attorney at Gesmer Updegrove and a standards expert.

Comments on the ISO submission are expected to be made public by the end of February.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: ibm; microsoft; ooxml
Microsoft insults IBM: in other news, the sky is blue.

The irony of MS fuming over "limiting choice" in the software world is still laughable.

Another thing: the ECMA. I had never heard of them until I was researching the standards for Microsoft's .NET CLI and Microsoft seems to keep using them. Are they to certification what degree mills are to colleges? An easy way to get a piece of paper that may or may not be worth the ink used? Honest question, not sarcasm.

1 posted on 02/14/2007 2:23:25 PM PST by Señor Zorro
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To: ShadowAce; N3WBI3

*PING*


2 posted on 02/14/2007 2:24:44 PM PST by Señor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: Señor Zorro
Microsoft executives contend that IBM is trying to influence the standards process to limit choice.

BWA-HA-HA-HA!

3 posted on 02/14/2007 2:25:05 PM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Señor Zorro

I only had to read as far as "Microsoft" to know they were wrong. They are such hypocrites!


4 posted on 02/14/2007 3:43:58 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...

5 posted on 02/14/2007 6:38:25 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Señor Zorro

Another case of MS flinging crap again and hoping it'll stick.

Dog bites man...


6 posted on 02/14/2007 6:41:29 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout; Señor Zorro; ShadowAce
> Another case of MS flinging crap again and hoping it'll stick.

Yet another case of MS taking a great idea (in this case, document storage formats using standard XML) and twisting it so that it:

They've done this -SO- many times before (think Web browser, Java, etc.) it's a wonder they're not bored with this tactic. They're not even innovative in their monopolistic crush-the-opposition-into-the-ground crap.

The only way this won't work for them is if Office 2007 doesn't catch on. But I think it will, so everybody grab your ankles and prepare for the next enema from Redmond...

7 posted on 02/14/2007 7:14:07 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Señor Zorro

Microsoft: Encumbered, secretive XML format meant to continue Office dominance.

IBM/Sun: Completely open, unencumbered document format meant for free exchange of documents between different applications.

I hope nobody actually believes this drivel from Microsoft.


8 posted on 02/15/2007 11:10:19 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Señor Zorro
Another thing: the ECMA. I had never heard of them until I was researching the standards for Microsoft's .NET CLI

You use something somewhat standardized by them all the time. JavaScript and JScript (Microsoft) are both implementations of ECMAScript. ECMA is a European computer standards body that a while ago started to go international.

9 posted on 02/15/2007 11:24:26 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

I realize that (although I didn't know that it was they who standardized it until after I was doing some initial research on the .NET underpinnings). The overall thrust was, are their certifications really worth much of anything?


10 posted on 02/15/2007 11:32:03 AM PST by Señor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: Señor Zorro
The overall thrust was, are their certifications really worth much of anything?

I'm not sure. My guess is that ECMA isn't worth nearly as much as ISO, since even Microsoft stepped up to ISO certification with C# after it was already ECMA, and they're trying now with OOXML. ECMA seems to act as a springboard to ISO certification.

That ECMA is a rubber stamp may be going too far, as Sun withdrew Java from ECMA standards a while back because it would lose total control over it.

11 posted on 02/15/2007 11:50:24 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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