Posted on 01/20/2007 1:24:47 AM PST by Swordmaker
No I've come down on you recently for defending the foreign hackers that hacked OSX to run on a Dell. In an attempt to justify their actions you then admitted to downloading digital content instead of making backups of personally owned media, yourself. I also know of no one being "criminally" charged for making a personal backup of a regular DVD, nor would I claim such action was criminal, you obviously just have the problem of being on the record defending something that very likely was criminal, the actions of the Russian hackers who hacked OSX and distributed the hack, and are still trying to blur the lines and lower the bar for acceptance of actual criminal activity.
They didn't even do that like you are falsely claiming.
ROFL, there you go defending the Russian hackers again, even though you claim you never have. Yes, they were distributing the crack to OSX, which you falsely tried to claim couldn't be criminal, you called Apple's letter threatening civil and criminal penalties quote "BS", even went on to make up outlandish lies that Russian hackers wrote software that was used extensively by the US DoD, lies you eventually admitted to making up on your own. So if I see something else funny in what you write, it would appear I've earned the right to question it.
Interesting. Which flavor of Vista are you running? Did you pay retail for it. With 4 Win boxes it would become an expensive OS upgrade for me. In addition I just ran the MS Vista upgrade advisor. On only one machine, it flagged more than ten programs that would need patches or upgrades. The CAD and video editors become expensive upgrades on their own.
For the cost of just the Vista uprades, 4@$299, that $1200 almost buys a new iMac.
Your quote:
FYI "cracking" anyone's DRM is illegal.
So now we know you think backing up your DVDs is illegal. Now, do you think it's criminal?
It's not complicated at all, distributing illegal hacks of DRM is criminal
You certainly think that the means by which a person can backup his DVDs is criminal. And let's combine this with the fact that you think that the Russian hackers breaking the very same law that a DVD backup breaks (DMCA, circumvention) are criminal for that action.
You have basically claimed that backing up your legally-purchased DVDs is criminal.
Yes, they were distributing the crack to OSX
Now you change your story. So which is is? Are they distributing the hack like you sometimes claim, or are they distributing a hacked version of OS X like you sometimes claim? Get your story straight for a change. I know you like to be a moving target so people can't nail you down to your lies, but it's finally time to stop.
No, quite obviously, you just attempted to put words in my mouth. Distributing cracks, as you continue to make excuses for, can be criminal. Meanwhile making backups of one's own media doesn't appear to be. Quit trying to confuse the two, as a defense for your lies defending the Russian hackers that cracked OSX.
And what you don't seem to grasp is that the method to backup a DVD is an illegal crack under the same law that makes you call the Russians criminals. Plus, almost every time someone "illegally" cracks the DVD DRM in order to make a DVD backup, the region coding that you slammed me for circumventing is also removed.
Quit trying to confuse the two, as a defense for your lies defending the Russian hackers that cracked OSX.
There's no confusion here. The tool to backup a DVD and the tool to install OS X on a Dell are both illegal under exactly the same law, Sec. 1201 of the DMCA. It was also this section that was used to criminally prosecute Elcomsoft for cracking PDF files.
There's absolutely a difference between criminal hacking of an operating system that allows others to use it illegally, and someone making a backup of one's own media, which isn't criminal. You just want to blur the lines since you're on the record defending the OSX hackers for months, with lies you've outright admitted to.
They both break the exact same law, so tell me, what's the difference?
Vista Ultimate, now how could I pay for it since its not out yet? ;) I have the RTM, IF you're crafty you can get it on the net and use it for 30 days without a serial key. :) By then, it will be out and you can buy it...
LOL...Thanks
But, you still have a mac and its still slow and theirs nothing that you can do about it now is there? deal with it...
Vista Home Premium is good(Aero etc.), it has all the goodies it just doesn't have the FULL backup that Ultimate offers... at $49 a pop its not a bad deal.
More Detailed Info on Vista Versions here Notice Vista Home Premium only supports "ONE" CPU Socket... that means one physical CPU socket NOT core, it WILL support Dual-Core or even Quad-Core or even Octo-Core ;) but just one physical socket... whereas Vista Ultimate supports 2 sockets i.e. AMD 4x4...
So now a 2.16gHz Core 2 Duo is slow?
I didn't say I only had one Mac...
Compared to my Overclocked Dual-Core Opteron 175 @ 2.75GHZ its slow. ;)
I got my Processor and after market heatsink(Arctic cooler freezer 64 pro) for less than $200 1 week ago.. ;)
So, to put that into perspective, I could get CPU+Heatsink+Motherboard+1GB Ram for less than just your processor that you can't even overclock... ;)
I don't have to tell you, because you already know, and are now simply talking in circles in a pathetic attempt to claim as you did in post #45 that making a backup of one's own media is "criminal", when you already know for a fact it is not. Funny to watch, since when you were defending the Russian hackers you were calling Apple's letter threatening criminal charges "BS", trotting out the "180 day rule for criminal prosecution", etc. I showed case history of hackers being charged criminally by simply distributing a software crack, despite your insistent lies they had to include the software. So show us case history of someone being charged criminally for making a personal backup of one's own media why don't you? You did claim in post #45 I would accuse someone doing that of being a criminal, when in fact it was obviously just you trying to blur the lines in defense of criminal Russian hackers again.
Yes I do, but I have a consistent view on this, and you don't. Why is one illegal and the other not, when both actions break exactly the same law?
claim as you did in post #45 that making a backup of one's own media is "criminal"
Retract that, because I never claimed so.
Funny to watch, since when you were defending the Russian hackers you were calling Apple's letter threatening criminal charges "BS"
And there have been successful lawsuits against those distributing the tool necessary to backup DVDs, under the same law that was used against Elcomsoft.
trotting out the "180 day rule for criminal prosecution",
That is a different law, unrelated to this discussion. It would have applied if you had been correct that the hackers were distributing OS X itself.
I showed case history of hackers being charged criminally by simply distributing a software crack, despite your insistent lies they had to include the software.
I never claimed so. Two different laws here: one for distributing copyrighted works, one for cracking DRM. The DRM one requires personal financial gain to be criminal, the other one can require just a certain value worth of copyrighted works be distributed.
So show us case history of someone being charged criminally for making a personal backup of one's own media why don't you?
I can't because the DVD CCA and/or MPAA has never gone after it that way. I also don't think it should be criminal. But you can look up Universal v. Reimerdes to see where those distributing the tool to backup DVDs lost in court. Hundreds of people have seen legal action over this tool.
You did claim in post #45 I would accuse someone doing that of being a criminal
No, I said might. In any case, you have been so railing against circumvention of access control measures when I did it, alternately calling them illegal and criminal, that your position on this subject if you were consistent would be that backing up a DVD is illegal, if not criminal.
"""What "things," FreedomGuru? Rosetta is available to run legacy Applications that have not been upgraded to Universal binaries. Most apps have been upgraded."""
Yes, maybe,like all the apps for PPC, many apps have been upgraded to Universal but at a cost to upgrade(even Apples own software).All my software works on W98,2000,XP, and will work on Vista,and run better on each step up. If I had a G5, and want to upgrade to an Intel Mac, I have to upgrade the software, or expect poorer performance. One of the main Mac-slappies talking points bashing Vista is the need to upgrade hardware (to get Aero). I guess its ok for Mac users to pay for upgrades if they want better performance.
And the Mac-slappies keep posting misinformation, such as """what Windows Vista sets out to do, and requires at least 2 GB of RAM and massive processor power to accomplish""" That as already posted is WRONG, but mac fans just go on believing what they want. And you try to compare a beta version of Vista, with OSX. Lets list all the bugs currently in Leopard.
Each system has its pros and cons. But you freepers with Macs are in a whole different world. You sound like liberals with the talking points, everybody keeps saying the same things. Many of the mac fans here bashing Vista, haven't seen Vista, and wouldn't know Vista if it bit them on the butt.
Macs are fine computers, but limited hardware wise. One of the reason they work resonably well. On PC's I can buy over a 110 AGP video cards, over 400 PCI video cards. With the big daddy Mac Pro, I've got a choice of 3 video cards. Like anything in life, its a toss up.
But Mac fans get real enjoy your computers but stop spreading misinformation. But I'm sure this will go in 1 ear and out the other, with many of you.
I know, as I already said, proving you've done nothing since your false claims in post 45 but talk in circles and endlessly attempt to put words in my mouth.
Distributing hacks of OSX can be criminal, as I have shown case history. Making personal backups is not criminal, and you have shown no case history that it can be, instead just posting more of your hypocritical lies, still trying to blur the lines of what is criminal or not in your defense of actual criminal Russian hackers, which has already gone on for months which already resulted in you outright admitting you made up lies you knew were false. Might as well admit these lies now too LOL.
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