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To: Golden Eagle
I don't have to tell you, because you already know

Yes I do, but I have a consistent view on this, and you don't. Why is one illegal and the other not, when both actions break exactly the same law?

claim as you did in post #45 that making a backup of one's own media is "criminal"

Retract that, because I never claimed so.

Funny to watch, since when you were defending the Russian hackers you were calling Apple's letter threatening criminal charges "BS"

And there have been successful lawsuits against those distributing the tool necessary to backup DVDs, under the same law that was used against Elcomsoft.

trotting out the "180 day rule for criminal prosecution",

That is a different law, unrelated to this discussion. It would have applied if you had been correct that the hackers were distributing OS X itself.

I showed case history of hackers being charged criminally by simply distributing a software crack, despite your insistent lies they had to include the software.

I never claimed so. Two different laws here: one for distributing copyrighted works, one for cracking DRM. The DRM one requires personal financial gain to be criminal, the other one can require just a certain value worth of copyrighted works be distributed.

So show us case history of someone being charged criminally for making a personal backup of one's own media why don't you?

I can't because the DVD CCA and/or MPAA has never gone after it that way. I also don't think it should be criminal. But you can look up Universal v. Reimerdes to see where those distributing the tool to backup DVDs lost in court. Hundreds of people have seen legal action over this tool.

You did claim in post #45 I would accuse someone doing that of being a criminal

No, I said might. In any case, you have been so railing against circumvention of access control measures when I did it, alternately calling them illegal and criminal, that your position on this subject if you were consistent would be that backing up a DVD is illegal, if not criminal.

78 posted on 01/22/2007 6:52:33 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Yes I do

I know, as I already said, proving you've done nothing since your false claims in post 45 but talk in circles and endlessly attempt to put words in my mouth.

Distributing hacks of OSX can be criminal, as I have shown case history. Making personal backups is not criminal, and you have shown no case history that it can be, instead just posting more of your hypocritical lies, still trying to blur the lines of what is criminal or not in your defense of actual criminal Russian hackers, which has already gone on for months which already resulted in you outright admitting you made up lies you knew were false. Might as well admit these lies now too LOL.

80 posted on 01/22/2007 7:35:40 AM PST by Golden Eagle
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