Posted on 01/02/2007 1:38:13 PM PST by Kimberly GG
"Film critic and talk show host Michael Medved has decided to put in print on Townhall.com the attack he has frequently broadcast on radio against those of us who are opposing the North American integration being pursued by the Bush Administration activity under the auspices of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America."....
....."Serious readers for centuries are alert to recognize that ad hominem attacks generally mask an inability to counter an argument on logical or evidentiary grounds. In the days of Lenin, communist agitators took the ad hominem attack to a new level, perfecting techniques to discredit their opponents with the intent to discourage the public from listening to arguments that were serious and potentially fatal criticisms of communism. Medved appears to be taking the advice of the radical socialist activist Saul D. Alinsky, who articulated on page 128 of his 1971 book “Rules for Radicals” his rule No. 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”"....
...."Studying the tone of Medved’s recent piece in Townhall.com, I was reminded of the abuse my co-author John O’Neill suffered on Oct. 22, 2004, when MSNBC senior political analyst Lawrence O’Donnell began screaming “Liar! Liar!” at O’Neill during an appearance on “Scarborough Country.” Reading the transcript of that show, O’Donnell appeared to have lost his composure when he was unable to refute O’Neill’s defense of what we wrote in “Unfit for Command.” Similarly, Medved has reduced himself to spewing forth various strings of derogatory language boldly proclaiming, for instance, that “there’s no reason at all to believe in the ludicrous, childish, ill-informed, manipulative, brain dead fantasies about a North American Union.”
Who then, besides myself, are those who Medved calls on his readers to treat “with the derision and contempt they so richly deserve” for propounding “this paranoid and groundless frenzy” over the North American Union?"....
“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”".
"Especially against the ridiculous."
You do know that was a quote by socialist Alinsky?
Of course you did.
I never could get into listening to Medved's lame show. If I wanted to hear liberals for 3 hours straight, I could tune into Air America, FPS.
"I invite Medved to a public debate on these questions. In making this invitation, I am willing to take the risk that Medved’s tone in his Townhall.com piece does accurately reflect his true emotional state. I do not recall ever before reading a piece from a person who likes to represent himself as a responsible political commentator that contained so many vituperative epithets or such extended strings of invective, including invented words that are nowhere to be found, not even in a dictionary of slang.
If Medved is getting close to the Larry O’Donnell “liar, liar” stage when discussing North American integration, I will take even that risk in issuing a challenge to debate. On the questions that Medved shrilly characterizes as hysteria over a North American Union chimera, I am willing to stand by the research and study that have carried me through multiple decades of multiple careers, even if Medved is reaching the point where he is “Unfit for Debate.”"
Of course I did silly...I started the thread :)
I see the Medved fans jumped on this thread like flies on a chit wagon. It's not that they think the NAU is a conspiracy freaks wet dream, it's because the NAU is theirs.
Yes it is.
And I've never heard Medved even once. If he's nationally syndicated, he's not in the Houston area. I don't have much of a clue who he is.
Just a point of logic but, as I read this example of the supposed "Ad Hominem" attack, who is the "Hominem"? I see no one named. I see no one referred to even obliquely. I see an idea ridiculed not a person.
It's a weak argument that can be disproved by a simple reference to the example given.
Awful touching today are We? I see you don't care for being talked about but, have no problem dishing it out. Tell us why you think the NAU will never happen or why you wish it would.
Who am I touching awful today?
I don't know what you see, but you conspiracy freaks who think we're going to merge with Mexico and Canada are ridiculous. That would take WAY more than some committee to accomplish and even a cursory reading of the Constitution would convince you of that.
This whole discussion is an an embarrassment to this forum.
It's not going to happen.
OMG, a socialist used the word ridiculous so now I can't use it to describe the ridiculous Corsi! How about clown? Can I call Corsi a clown? Or did a socialist use that word before?
How about idiot? Corsi is an idiot!!
"I see the Medved fans jumped on this thread like flies on a chit wagon. It's not that they think the NAU is a conspiracy freaks wet dream, it's because the NAU is theirs."
Of course they did and of course it is "theirs", which is why my question above is being intentionally ignored. Nonetheless, I would venture to guess that were I to do a bit of research, I imagine Jerome Corsi would have been considered quite the hero around here, having seen to it that GWB won the '04 elections. The fact that he's been relegated to 'conspiracy theorists' by the forces that be, consistent with the perfectly timed attacks every time the subject is mentioned and the moving of the threads, can only lead to the conclusions that indeed it "is theirs" and FR is supporting the efforts.
What isn't clear is why they are ashamed to admit it.
You pulled and used the quote from the article, not me ;)
You posted an article that quoted a socialist, not me ;^)
You consider criticism of a thread that is posted "perfectly timed attacks"?
Have their been any "perfectly timed attacks" not on a thread espousing your conspiracy theory?
How paranoid are you?
You might do better to address your complaint to Admin Moderator - "admin" would appear to be just another user (to whom courtesy ping).
Medved is on 1070 occasionally. I've run across him but haven't listened enough to know the schedule.
Now, we have been over and OVER this. You are NOT supposed to touch awful ANYONE. Don't make me come over there!
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