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Without Jackson, I have my doubts it will be as good as the Lord of the Rings.

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 11/20/2006 11:37:40 PM PST by MadIvan
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Ping!


2 posted on 11/20/2006 11:38:02 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

I agree... this is a shame.


3 posted on 11/20/2006 11:39:20 PM PST by nutmeg (In 2008 we will crush the Democrats like the cockroaches they are! -- Mark Levin 11-8-06)
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ping!


4 posted on 11/20/2006 11:40:46 PM PST by nutmeg (In 2008 we will crush the Democrats like the cockroaches they are! -- Mark Levin 11-8-06)
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To: MadIvan

Who knows. We might be surprised. I loved the LOTR films (aside from the elimination of the crucial scouring of the shire portion).



5 posted on 11/20/2006 11:42:31 PM PST by monkapotamus
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To: MadIvan
I would be very much into a TV miniseries done by a different director covering all the material in the Lord of the Rings.
6 posted on 11/20/2006 11:43:26 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: MadIvan
I agree with you. I seriously doubt that anything with The Silmarillion will be worth watching on a full screen without Jackson at the helm.
7 posted on 11/20/2006 11:44:57 PM PST by Talking_Mouse (wahhabi delenda est)
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To: MadIvan
I agree with you. I seriously doubt that anything with The Silmarillion will be worth watching on a full screen without Jackson at the helm.
8 posted on 11/20/2006 11:44:57 PM PST by Talking_Mouse (wahhabi delenda est)
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To: MadIvan

Who knows...there were several deficiencies in LotRings...

When Strider, Legolas and Gimli greeted the Riders of Rohan, there was no mention from whence they came, yet they were clad in Elven garb. And 3 different Sorts trailing a company of Uruk-hai for 4 days without rest! The book has a wonderful line that was omitted.

And the War of Ents. We see Gandalf showing up at Helm's Deep but the Ents destroyed much of Saruman's army and this is unnoticed.

It is a good film, but so much is lacking. And Frodo always seems so so queer...much of the cast seems the same...


10 posted on 11/20/2006 11:48:44 PM PST by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: MadIvan

I agree; I have serious doubts as to whether someone besides Jackson can do THE HOBBIT justice. Jackson did cut some things that were important to the LOTR as a whole (for instance, the whole Tom Bombadil section is actually very important to the meaning of the books, but it is rather long and talky and so got the axe).

But Jackson had the *feel* of the books, and translated that beautifully into film. And we know he does wonderful battle scenes, so I was hoping for great things from the Battle of the Five Armies. But ... we shall see what we shall see. Hopefully there is indeed someone else in the wings who can do THE HOBBIT justice.


11 posted on 11/21/2006 12:04:53 AM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (Kelo must GO!! ..... http://sonoma-moderate.blogspot.com/)
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To: MadIvan

Michael Bay! Michael Bay!



So, is everyone shuddering now?


12 posted on 11/21/2006 12:06:25 AM PST by kenth (There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: MadIvan

New Line is messing with a good thing here. They've fallen prey to the Ring...of cash registers...


13 posted on 11/21/2006 12:19:22 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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I guess I'm a decided minority, but I thought Jackson butchered the Ring Trilogy--specifically the ending, where--in the novel--the Hobbits defeat the fallen wizard Saruman in a final battle and liberate the Shire. By eliminating the genuine ending, Jackson glossed over one of the central points of the trilogy--or so it seemed to me. The Shire is untouched by all that has gone on, at least in the film version, while in the book, the evil has permeated even that gentle place. The war came home, affecting everyone. It was important to Tolkien, and since those books were so important to my childhood, it was important to me.

What I saw on the screen, while entertaining, was not a faithful adaptation. The books had real moral weight. The film was a long-winded ordeal.

And in spite of a budget bigger than the GNP of most of the countries in the world, Shelob, the giant spider, was the lamest screen monster since those guys in zippered rubber suits walked around the back lot in 'Horror at Party Beach'.
15 posted on 11/21/2006 12:26:30 AM PST by Rembrandt_fan
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To: MadIvan

Jackson is an enigma.
The Rings trilogy is about the best movie-making I ever saw, yet 'King Kong' was so laughably bad I couldn't believe the same director was behind both projects. Very odd. You have to wonder if the New Line people saw 'King Kong' and decided they better find a way to ditch Jackson.


24 posted on 11/21/2006 12:53:12 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: MadIvan
By far the most over rated boring flims ever

What people see in them is beyond me

They are like watching someone else play gauntlet


25 posted on 11/21/2006 1:01:49 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: MadIvan
I never read the books but I did love the movies. Didn't think I would but I really fell in love with the darn things. I'd put them in the dvd player and set it on auto replay and play them over and over again, perhaps hundreds of times, as background noise when nothing else was on or just to help me get to sleep at night.

I know it's crazy but nowadays I judge movies by how long it takes me to get sick of them, and the thing I got sick of first in LOTR were the Orc battle scenes. Because once you've seen one Orc battle scene you've seen them all.

I really hate to see Jackson go. He did a wonderful job. But OTOH maybe the new director won't spend quite so much time on those damned screeching Orc battle scenes!

27 posted on 11/21/2006 1:11:11 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: MadIvan

I agree. The Lord of the Rings trilogy was pure magic.


28 posted on 11/21/2006 1:16:30 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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Jackson didn't just direct the movie, he crafted LOTR.

It was an act of love for the story and the characters, and an ultimate salute to J.R.R. Tolkien.

You don't just run across that sort of passion in the film industry, unless it involves underaged boys.

That being said, I think now that the Hobbit will be about as good as the last two (or the third) Potter films.

I mean, what the heck did they do with Dumbledore's character? The guy's become a raving old loon. I miss Richard Harrison in the role. He brought a level of dignity and "gravitas" to the character. The director in the third film wasn't so interested in setting the proper mood for the film as displaying his morbid fascination for a murderous "whomping willow" that slaughtered random birds as they flew by.

Neither of the last two Potter films conveyed the atmosphere, care or craftsmanship that the first two films brought to the screen. They were cheap immitations. "Wannabes" that failed, although they still were able to deliver a tattered summary of the actual story. That's enough to carry it among die hard fans (me included.)

So really, losing Jackson for "The Hobbit" really is a cutting blow. Too bad, but we can always treasure his work on LOTR. That will always be an eternal masterpiece of directing and secure his place in film history.

31 posted on 11/21/2006 1:28:28 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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It's hard to feel sorry for Mr. Jackson. Is he having a hard time living on the $200 million he's earned on the trilogy?

New Line made a bunch of money? I'd say that was the point of their investing nearly $300 million in the three movies.

Without the enormous gamble of a huge amount of someone else's money, Peter Jackson would be unknown to most of the world.

Greed does not look good on people.

I noticed he ain't fighting over the disappointing King Kong money.

Tolkien's heirs probably deserve a lot more of the profits than anyone.

32 posted on 11/21/2006 1:29:41 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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We need a bashki ping list now... and in this is a pile of bashki.


38 posted on 11/21/2006 2:59:23 AM PST by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: MadIvan
The Hobbit tells how Bilbo Baggins stole from Gollum the ring

Er, no. He found it lying on the ground. Only when Gollum was trying to kill him did Bilbo realize it was G's ring.

As for Peter Jackson, (almost?) every scene he added to LOTR was embarassing. It's still hard to believe that Aragorn went over that cliff and was awakened by his horse licking his face, like a scene from Hidalgo bizarrely stuck into the middle of LOTR. The Aragorn-as-reluctant-hero-pussy was a complete fabrication, and the lengthy special effects jumping-over-the-chasm in Moria was simply an excuse to do CGI.

If they cut out all the crap that was ADDED, there would have been time for more of the things they deleted.

40 posted on 11/21/2006 3:50:54 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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