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Mac Daily News says of Needleman:

Rafe Needleman has been covering technology and business since 1988. He started at InfoWorld as a reviews editor. Following that, he launched Corporate Computing magazine, and then moved on to become manager of advanced technologies for ZD Labs. In 1995, Needleman became editor-in-chief of Byte magazine. He joined CNET as editor of CNET.com, shortly after it started in 1997. In 1998 Needleman moved to Red Herring and is now back at CNET.

If HE has trouble and frustrations with this stuff, what does that say about all the rest of the poor, benighted Windows users?

1 posted on 10/24/2006 6:47:47 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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Another PC pundit sees the light... PING!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

2 posted on 10/24/2006 6:48:59 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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"Also, the next time you're thinking of getting a new computer, take a serious look at the Macintosh."

Already on it, thanks.
3 posted on 10/24/2006 6:50:09 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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I use AVG-free.

It's free for non-business users, and very effective.

When the Norton subscription was drawing to a close on my daughter's laptop, I gleefully un-installed the hideous Norton bloatware and installed the trim and every-bit-as-effective AVG-free.

.


4 posted on 10/24/2006 6:52:56 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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Kaspersky anti-virus is excellent.


5 posted on 10/24/2006 6:53:07 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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Actually the best way to avoid computer viruses is to avoid using computers at all. Why don't we all just shut our computs down, sell them on Ebay and go take a walk or read a good book.


6 posted on 10/24/2006 6:54:23 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (The Program is Morally Good)
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I had Norton System Works on my computer, mainly for the Disk doctor diagnostic.

When I upgraded my OS, Disk Doctor no longer worked properly.

I was breowsing the support discussion forums on the Apple site and ran across several posts to the effect that Norton anti-virus slowed down a computers performance.

I uninstalled System Works — no small feat — and sure enough my computer worked better.

The difference wasn't huge, but it was noticable.

In my estimation, Norton sucks.

7 posted on 10/24/2006 7:00:15 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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Both Norton and MacAfee show clear signs of having been designed by people who have themselves confused with God Almighty -- of maybe with Allah:

Your role is to submit to my will. I download when I choose, I lock up your computer when I choose, I only let you know as much as I think you should know. And because I am all-knowing and almost as smart as Rush Limbaugh, I am damn near impossible to uninstall.

Wait, in that last aspect, they're more like vampires. You invite them in and you are in deep trouble.

8 posted on 10/24/2006 7:01:53 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Now we are all Massoud)
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Last year I updated to Norton 2005 anti virus. Had to uninstall it and then fight with them to get my 39.95 back.

This year they tell me that my Norton 2002 anti-virus will no longer be supported, please submit 39.95.

As I have never had a problem with Zone-Alarm I will be now using their suite!

PS I bought Norton 2002 security suite. And the only thing I had to use was Go-Back. But I can only keep it if I allow Norton 2002 to stay on my PC!

9 posted on 10/24/2006 7:03:33 PM PDT by rocksblues (Do onto others as they do unto you!)
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If everyone started using Macs the virus, trojan, adware, and spyware builders would just start building their obnoxious products to target Mac users.

Regarding Norton antivirus software, which I have used in the past, I usually found that a virus infection was preferable.

11 posted on 10/24/2006 7:07:38 PM PDT by Muleteam1
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I'm starting to think this virus stuff is waaaaay overblown.

I've got an old junker of a PC (came with Windows ME) that I used to surf the internet for about two months with no antivirus stuff whatsoever. I installed the latest Norton on it last week and expected it to be totally overun with viruses and spyware. But you know what? I ran the scan and it came up perfectly clean. A few years ago I had another old PC that I ran "bareback" on the Net, this time for about two years. And again, no viruses (actually I can't say this with total certainty -- I never scanned it -- but it never acted like it was infected with anything.).

You hear stories about computers being targeted within seconds when they're connected to the internet unprotected. I'm starting to think this is mostly fearmongering by outfits like Norton trying to sell antivirus products.

12 posted on 10/24/2006 7:09:58 PM PDT by Yardstick
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Norton is the absolute worst. When we resubscribed, we found that the only way we could get our emails was to disconnect from their program...rather ludicrous, to pay for something that never worked. We will never have another Norton product.


17 posted on 10/24/2006 7:23:40 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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yikes ! If Needleman is such a guru, shouldn't he already have known Norton is Borgware ? and try and convince his dad to adios it ?
20 posted on 10/24/2006 7:27:32 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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It's nice to have a platform to write a hit piece because you were dumb enough to upgrade an entire software release remotely (hogging up a good chunk of the available bandwidth no doubt) and you chose the download option rather than getting a CD in the mail. Of coarse, he could have just updated the 065 subscription (which is what the warning is all about) and been done in 5 minutes. But hey, then what would he have written about today?


21 posted on 10/24/2006 7:30:52 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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Norton sux ... big time


22 posted on 10/24/2006 7:32:28 PM PDT by clamper1797 (It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win)
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One of the options was to upgrade to Norton AntiVirus 2007, for $39 (after the $10 promotional coupon he got in e-mail). Sounded good to me.

Guess what genius? Norton keeps your credit card on file and automatically charges you again in another 12 months, unless you fill out a form and FAX it in to them.

23 posted on 10/24/2006 7:33:16 PM PDT by ikka
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I've alays wondered why Mac users always seem so concerned with what brand of computer I use. Similar to Linux users, they're always trying to get me to come over to the dark side..

You say it's better? Good for you. I use both on a fairly regular basis and I prefer the PC.. running Windows. So at home, that's what I use. Deal with it.

If you prefer Macs, great. I can see why some folks would. But why do some people feel the need to run around trying to 'convert' us poor downtrodden PC/Windows users? Getting a kickback from Apple?

And anyway, IMO, if you're dumb enough to install anything Norton/Symantic, you deserve what you get. :)


25 posted on 10/24/2006 7:43:45 PM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (Ok, so changing my name was not such a good idea after all...)
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As anyone can tell from my posts, I'm no Windows fan, but quite frequently MS gets the blame for what other companies do. What I found very interesting was the problem he had with all the pop up windows trying to get him to buy things. I remember when I had a PC and was trying to upgrade my video card. The card came with a CD with the company logo on it. I popped it into the computer and up came a screen with about six different options, none of which was "install proper driver for video card." It turned out the driver wasn't even on the CD. The entire CD, which was intended to look like a video driver install CD was nothing but advertisements and trial subscriptions to other products.
27 posted on 10/24/2006 7:52:57 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (The most important thing is sincerity. Once you can fake that, everything else is easy.)
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Im a year or so ahead of you. Nortons sux! I am using Comodo (its free) Anti-virus, firewall, and anti-spam.

If anyone else is using it tell me how to get the anti-spam to hook up with Thunderbird.

Dreaming of a Mac Pro......

28 posted on 10/24/2006 7:55:29 PM PDT by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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I'm in the middle of Norton hell at the moment myself, with my wife's laptop. She's got the Internet Security 2006 suite, which was an upgrade from what came with her P5000 Lifebook (nice lil box).

Being the nice guy that I am, I bought her a 7200 rpm drive to speed up her box. Got a good deal on an 80G for $99. Good so far. Get a copy of Norton Ghost ( unfortunately Norton bought PQMagic and killed Drive Image) for $69. Put the new drive in a USB2 enclosure, and Ghosted it - straight clone, I didn't even expand it to use all the space (due to a secondary partition for factory restore).

Popped the new cloned drive into her laptop and booted it up. No problemo!

About 10 minutes later, Norton calls the mother ship and deactivates her Internet Security suite saying it's been activated on too many computers! #&^Q&*^*@!!!!!

What really pisses me off is that it was their own product used to clone the drive. Ever look up what's involved with disputing their omnicious activation policy? Fill out forms, send in the form with original cd's and sleeves, then wait 3 weeks for them to review the case. Unreal!


30 posted on 10/24/2006 7:55:48 PM PDT by whatexit
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AVG Free from Grisoft
SPYBOT
ADAWARE

All free, and effective.


32 posted on 10/24/2006 8:00:47 PM PDT by Toby06 (Diesel smoke makes me horny.)
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