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Battered Vick questions role after Falcons loss
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2632684 ^

Posted on 10/20/2006 3:21:14 AM PDT by mainepatsfan

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To: JeffAtlanta
...but he could become a McNabb.

I disagree. Donovan is one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL. No, make that top three. Only Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are better. Like Brady, McNabb gets it done with no credible wide receivers. Heck, McNabb made Donte Stallworth look like a superstar.

41 posted on 10/20/2006 6:34:18 AM PDT by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: RacerF150

Yes, including Rex Grossman who has been overhyped because of the Bears' record, but nobody's calling him Jim McMahon.


42 posted on 10/20/2006 6:36:43 AM PDT by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: Doohickey

McNabb has really progressed into a top notch QB. He's playing his best football right now.


43 posted on 10/20/2006 6:44:11 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan
Falcons quarterback Michael Vick is beat up and sounds a little fed up after last Sunday's 27-14 loss to the Giants.

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44 posted on 10/20/2006 6:45:07 AM PDT by b4its2late (I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.)
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To: Doohickey

Apparently he also said that he wonders what type of numbers he'd put if he were in Indianapolis. I have news for you Michael...not nearly as many as Peyton Manning.


45 posted on 10/20/2006 6:45:48 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Doohickey
Don't you mean zone blocking scheme? Because chop blocks are, you know, illegal.

Nope, chop blocks are not illegal unless the defender is engaged with another player. It is a common misconception though.

The Falcons and Broncos offensive line systems are built on this type of blocking system and opposing defenses hate it because it exposes them to injury.

Just google "Falcons chop block" and see the pages of results that come up.

Here is an example of one...

To some, it is a brilliant tactic. To others, it is downright dirty.

Like it or not, the Falcons' oft-used cut-blocking techniques will be on display against the Bucs Sunday.

"We see it on film all the time," defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin said of the dangerous but legal tactic in which offensive linemen block below a defensive player's waist - often at the knees. A cut block is deemed a penalty if the defender is engaged with another offensive player at the time.

Some in NFL circles have called for the practice to be outlawed, but it remains a staple of the Falcons and Broncos offenses. Offensive line coach Alex Gibbs was Denver's offensive line coach from 1995-2003 and brought the technique to the Falcons. Last season, Carolina linemen Julius Peppers and Mike Rucker each suffered sprained ankles against Atlanta from cut blocks.

here is another

WLB Brandon Short and RDE Osi Umenyiora each had two sacks (the Giants had seven in total) and Short said it wasn't easy. "Their blocking is different," he said of the Falcons' O-line technique. "They use a lot of cut-blocking, leg-whipping, chop-blocking. Is it legal? It doesn't get flagged, so it must be legal."

46 posted on 10/20/2006 6:46:10 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Doohickey
Donovan is one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL.

McNabb is good for the same reasons that Vick is good - they both can avoid sacks and make the defenses worry about them gaining first downs with their legs on 3rd and 7 type situations.

McNabb is a much better passer at this point but he still isn't all that accurate. What makes him a top five QB (I will agree with you there) is that he is able to keep drives alive by avoiding sacks and running for crucial first downs.

47 posted on 10/20/2006 6:49:02 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Richard Kimball

I agree that Vick is not exactly Mr. Touch on his pocket passing game. But to be perfectly fair to him, it couldn't hurt to get him a decent receiver to help out just a little.


48 posted on 10/20/2006 7:56:21 AM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: mainepatsfan

There seems to be a really high number of players this year complaining about their team's game plan. I think these guys are spending too much time in the off season playing Madden and thinking that means they know about strategy.


49 posted on 10/20/2006 8:00:06 AM PDT by discostu (we're two of a kind, silence and I)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
undermining his coaches, his teammates

It was my impression that he did the same to Dan Reeves, who he now praises.

50 posted on 10/20/2006 8:01:18 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: discostu
I had to laugh yesterday when Chad Johnson was complaining that Cincy wasn't going deep enough. Apparently he doesn't understand that one needs an offensive line to give the QB time to make those type of throws.
51 posted on 10/20/2006 8:02:21 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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52 posted on 10/20/2006 8:03:31 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mainepatsfan

Shockey, Johnson, Moss, TO, Oakland's Porter (Pittsburgh's Porter has actually been very well behaved this year), James, now Vick. Whole lotta "our game plan sucks". Of course with two offensive co-ordinators fired already this year maybe these guys have a point... nah they're just whining.


53 posted on 10/20/2006 8:32:46 AM PDT by discostu (we're two of a kind, silence and I)
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To: mainepatsfan

Vick is the most over rated QB in the history of the NFL. He will not take the Falcons to the Super Bowl.


54 posted on 10/20/2006 9:01:27 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: mainepatsfan

Apparently Vick has gone to the Shockey School of Candor.

It's really simple Vick. You are a glass cannon. Great at the beginning of the year, but your happy feet gets you hurt and then you are not worth a darn.


55 posted on 10/20/2006 9:07:25 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (If I retire at 55 and live to my father's age I will have to work for 5 years after I'm dead.)
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To: mainepatsfan

If you have the secondary that can cover, then the pass rush should (as you say) penetrate, stay in the lanes, & wait for the QB to "pull it down". Sacks result.

Ideally you'd like to get a good push from your tackles while your ends maintain contain. I'd also assign my best open field tackler (LB or Safety) to 'spy' a QB like Vick (but I'd mix that up since I think he's capable of beating a spy with his arm).

The Eagles rushing QB's (Cunningham & McNabb) were always among the most sacked QB's in the league despite decent O-lines & their own reputations as mobile quarterbacks. There's a difference between a running QB & a QB that is mobile in the pocket.


56 posted on 10/20/2006 9:55:39 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: discostu

The NFL is quickly going the route of the NBA.


57 posted on 10/20/2006 9:57:01 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: JeffAtlanta
Vick is never going to be a Peyton Manning but everyone knew that, but he could become a McNabb.

McNabb has transitioned from a running QB to a mobile, passing QB. Plus McNabb is physically bigger & harder to bring down in the pocket.

Most running QB's can't successfully make the transition. The odds are against Vick doing so.

58 posted on 10/20/2006 10:01:09 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: mainepatsfan

All Chad knows is that he only has 1 TD this year and he has about 25 more celebrations planned. He wants the ball so he can make Sportscenter. Never mind that what he wants isn't possible with a banged-up 0-line and the double coverage he always gets.


59 posted on 10/20/2006 10:09:23 AM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (Clockwatcher Extraordinaire)
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To: mainepatsfan
As a long-suffering Falcons fan (Tommy Nobis, Harmon Wages, Norm Van Brocklin vintage) my words to my brother when Vick was drafted were, "If the Falcoons think Vick is the answer, they obviously do not understand the question."

Others have said he puts fannies in the stands and that is the name of the game.

My reply to that is that when the "L" column is continually longer than the "W" column, the seat may be sold but it ain't gonna be warm and very shortly thereafter it won't even be sold....again.

60 posted on 10/20/2006 10:10:21 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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