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Mon. Night Football/New Orleans (Was anyone else bothered by some of this?)
self/Monday Night Football | 9/26/06 | LS

Posted on 09/26/2006 6:01:32 AM PDT by LS

I watched the full TiVo-d MNF football this morning, and was a little disturbed by some of the things that I heard.

First off, I rooted for the Saints. I like their team, and they are a classic "underdog" story. I hope they win every game until they lose to my Cowboys in the NFC Championship.

BUT . . . the message that seemed to come across---I could be wrong---was that football "was" the future of NO, that it was all the city had. Having Spike Lee in the booth didn't help, but beyond that, it seemed like the reconstruction of the SuperDome, which, I'm guessing, was done overwhelmingly with tax dollars was kind of the wrong message to be sending.

I could have missed it, but I didn't see the "success stories" being featured of the private companies that had come back (have any?) or the private-sector's successful rebuilding of communities. (They did mention Harry Connick, Jr.'s program, but didn't really focus on its success.

I guess my concern is that the underlying feeling was that if ALL a city has is a football team---no political leaders who can rally the public, no civic leaders who can create an atmosphere of confidence, and no entrepreneurs (aside from Emeril, who has done a whale of a job) who are creating jobs---then you don't have much.

Now, I do think it could be a reasonable business strategy to re-build from the "inside out," and bring back tourism, sports teams, restaurants, hotels, etc. But that would require something the MNF team didn't want to touch: the incredible corruption of Nagin and the LA scene, and the necessity of having a strong, reliable police force that will make tourists feel safe. (Last couple of times I was in NO, I did not feel safe.)

Am I making too much of this, or were others here troubled?


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: bush; football; katrina; neworleans; spiketheballnotlee
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To: freedumb2003
here were several definitive studies that demonstrated that it is a net loss and, at best a break-even proposition.

That doesn't surprise me at all when you consider the cost of building these huge stadiums that last how many years? About as long as all the new schools we build last. What happned to the good old days when stadiums and schools lasted generations? Brick and morter jobs, eh?

81 posted on 09/26/2006 7:02:40 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Lunatic Fringe
These are not the NFL's glory days. There hasn't been a championship team in the last seven years that would have been any better than 9-7 at any other time since I've been a football fan (starting around 1980).

The quality of play in the NFL these days is miserable -- and I say this as someone who knows more about the game than your typical fan. The wholsesale movement of players under the salary cap and free agency rules has destroyed the basic notion of "team chemistry" in the NFL.

I don't know what the NFL has done in terms of "good decisions," but a tiresome, dull spectacle that provides 10-12 minutes of actual play in a 4-hour television broadcast barely even qualifies as a sporting event anymore.

82 posted on 09/26/2006 7:16:25 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: LS

New Orleans has a football team?


83 posted on 09/26/2006 7:21:33 AM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: fortunecookie
and get other tourism dollars rolling again, it would be helpful, a real help toward rebuilding.

I have my doubts that the tax dollars will stay in New Orleans. Most likely the money will just end up in a freezer somewhere.
84 posted on 09/26/2006 7:21:55 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: freedumb2003
I remember when Los Angeles was looking into a team (the team went to Houston and cost that lovely city $2 billion in public funds)

Why are so many California freepers totally full of baloney when it comes to Texas? Houston did spend too much on on the Texans' stadium (and related infrastructure, which also support the next door exhibit halls and rodeo and see year-round use), but it was nowhere near $2 billion. More like 1/10th of that. Wild exaggeration simply torpodoes one's credibility.

85 posted on 09/26/2006 7:24:10 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: LS

Spike was uncalled for. Pointless. and WRONG


86 posted on 09/26/2006 7:32:55 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
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To: JZelle

Spike Lee opened up some Bush bashing, and the channel flipped for me. What a joke.


87 posted on 09/26/2006 7:57:00 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: LS
This is what bothered me the most.

1. Spike Lee in the booth
2. Kornheiser proding Spike Lee to make a political comment (or anti-Bush comment)
3. Mike Tirico calling Spike Lee's FauxKUmentary "gripping"
4. Every image of Katrina showed African Americans. There weren't any white people or Latinos that suffered as well?


What I did like? Bush 41 got a warm welcome. I thought he was going to get booed. You know..being the father of the person who was responsible for all that death and destruction (sarcasm of course)
88 posted on 09/26/2006 8:08:11 AM PDT by slowhand520
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To: LetsRok

I thought it funny as well when a fan came on and he said he lost his home, but he was at the game. What a cesspool of idiots. I would not be worrying about the game. I would be worrying about getting my home fixed or moving out of that hell hole.


89 posted on 09/26/2006 8:19:59 AM PDT by ziggy_dlo (THE LAND OF THE FREE, FOUGHT FOR BY THE BRAVE!!!)
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To: Doc Savage
Don't you think you're being a little hard on that poor city?
90 posted on 09/26/2006 8:33:04 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: ziggy_dlo
"I thought it funny as well when a fan came on and he said he lost his home, but he was at the game. What a cesspool of idiots. I would not be worrying about the game. I would be worrying about getting my home fixed or moving out of that hell hole."

So you aren't allowed to have 3 or 4 hours of fun, a diversion from all your troubles, if you are going thru something like this? Why would you deny somebody a good time for a little while? You know, you can work on a house, repair a house or rebuild and still take a few hours to get away.

And by the way, to a lot of posters, a thesaurus can be a useful tool. "Cesspool" and "hell hole" are getting a bit overused.
91 posted on 09/26/2006 8:33:09 AM PDT by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: Dixie Yooper

You'll get no argument from me. They bused thousands of them from Houston to N.O. to go vote. Hell, we even had to watch their damn campaign commercials!

In the meantime, I look over my shoulder everytime I'm out shopping while walking to my car. Our crime rate has gotten ridiculous.


92 posted on 09/26/2006 8:33:53 AM PDT by demkicker (democrats, terrorists, Powell, McCain, Graham & Collins are intimate bedfellows)
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To: demkicker
Last year during the worst of the 24 hour a day coverage, my wife and I softened up and gave $$$ to the Red Cross. I'm embarrassed to say how much. I can only hope the Red Cross used it somewhere else.
93 posted on 09/26/2006 8:37:36 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Ellesu

Did you hear Spike's comment, "I'm not going to pull a Kayne?"


94 posted on 09/26/2006 8:48:32 AM PDT by LA Woman3
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Team was 1.1 Billion, Stadium was apx 300 million.

When you add up ancillary costs you get near 2 billion.

And you are welcome to them (the Texans).

When the NFL pays us enough, we'll allow them to have a team here. We don't need one to feel good about ourselves. In a sense, LA fans are the most devastating: If our teams don't win, WE DON'T CARE.

The opposite of Love is NOT hate. It is disinterest.


95 posted on 09/26/2006 9:16:13 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Insultification is the polar opposite of Niceosity)
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To: slowhand520
4. Every image of Katrina showed African Americans. There weren't any white people or Latinos that suffered as well?

Nope. This was a pinpoint hurricane that only affected blacks. Rove's machine has gotten to be pretty precise.

96 posted on 09/26/2006 9:17:57 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Insultification is the polar opposite of Niceosity)
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To: Sam's Army

I did hear them say once "they should be talking about cultural and economic issues, but this is pretty good football game." Wasn't that what the announcers were there to do. Announce a football game??


97 posted on 09/26/2006 9:23:01 AM PDT by tndarlin
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To: Sam's Army

I did hear them say once "they should be talking about cultural and economic issues, but this is pretty good football game." Wasn't that what the announcers were there to do. Announce a football game??


98 posted on 09/26/2006 9:23:04 AM PDT by tndarlin
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To: freedumb2003

The city didn't pay for the team, Bob McNair did, and he paid $700 million, not $1.1 billion. The stadium cost $450 million, but Reliant Energy paid $300 million for the naming rights. Most of the roadway/utilities/sewer improvements also benefit the next door Astrodome (being converted into a hotel/convention/entertainment complex similar to successful Gaylord-owned facilities in Grapevine, TX and Nashville, TN) and the Astroarena used year-round for meetings/events, so you can't allocate all (or even most) of those ancilliary costs to the Texans. Even if you did it would fall far short of $2 billion.


99 posted on 09/26/2006 9:34:56 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Well, enjoy them anyway. You and I both know the taxpayers are on the hook for part of the price.

Like I said, we are waiting for the NFL to pay us.


100 posted on 09/26/2006 9:36:52 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Insultification is the polar opposite of Niceosity)
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