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DA: Alleged Duke Rape Took 5-10 Minutes
AP ^ | September 22, 2006 | AARON BEARD

Posted on 09/22/2006 1:20:40 PM PDT by Howlin

Three Duke lacrosse players took five to 10 minutes to sexually assault a woman hired to perform as a stripper at a team party, and not the 30 minutes she originally described to investigators, a prosecutor said Friday. "When something happens to you that is really awful, it can seem like it takes place longer than it actually takes," District Attorney Mike Nifong said.

Nifong's comments came as Superior Court Judge W. Osmond Smith III denied a defense request that prosecutors provide a detailed accounting of the alleged assault, including the exact time, place and type of sexual act the accuser said each defendant committed.

A grand jury has indicted three lacrosse players _ Reade Seligmann, 20; Collin Finnerty, 19; and David Evans, 23 _ on charges of rape, kidnapping and sexual offense. The accuser, a student at nearby North Carolina Central University, told police she was raped in a bathroom by three men at a March 13 off-campus party. Defense attorneys have strongly proclaimed the players' innocence.

Kirk Osborn, who represents Seligmann, said the defense needed the "bill of particulars" because the accuser has told several different versions of the alleged assault, and his client has a right to know which version prosecutors will present at trial. In search and arrest warrants issued early in the investigation, police stated the accuser told investigators she was assaulted for 30 minutes.

Nifong said he is not required to state the exact time of the alleged attack, but offered that authorities believe it took place between 11:30 p.m. on March 13, when the accuser arrived at the party, and 12:55 a.m. on March 14, when police arrived and found no one at the house.

Friday's hearing was the first since Smith was appointed to take over the case, and it was scheduled to continue Friday afternoon.

Before the hearing began, Nifong gave defense lawyers 615 pages of evidence, a compact disc and a cassette tape. He said it included much of what was requested by defense lawyers, who had asked for handwritten notes from police officers involved with the case, reports outlining procedures used at the labs that tested the DNA of the players and notes from a mental health facility where police took the accuser after the party.


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To: Howlin
"When something happens to you that is really awful, it can seem like it takes place longer than it actually takes," District Attorney Mike Nifong said.

Wait, so the run-up to this trial only seems to be taking months? Phew, I feel better.

101 posted on 09/22/2006 3:33:18 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (You can do that, and be a whack-job pedophile on meth.)
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To: Howlin

This decribes her as a student at NCCU. There's a big frigg'n joke.


102 posted on 09/22/2006 3:38:04 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: gopheraj

mark


103 posted on 09/22/2006 3:38:16 PM PDT by gopheraj
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To: Howlin

Thanks for the heads up, Howlin.I hadn't heard of the Duke brascelets. But I would have probably ordered one, if I had.


104 posted on 09/22/2006 3:50:17 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Vermin of a feather, flock together; Democrats, socialist, communists, islomafaciests and the MSM.)
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To: Howlin

I got mine, Howlin. Where did you order from?


105 posted on 09/22/2006 3:50:56 PM PDT by Dukie07
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To: abb
exactly.....what they are planning to get out of this is to make it look like the men got off thru defense trickery and technicalities.....

I certainly hope that there is a civil suit against the county and against the AV.....both must be held accountable to what they have put these men thru....

now having said that, if the AV maintains her story, then the men should be able to quiz her entire story, direct from her mouth, and they should be able to unveil all of her life, her "work" , her boyfriends, etc.....she could do the same to the men......

but I am totally against just letting these allegations go without a clear victory , one way or another....

106 posted on 09/22/2006 3:54:43 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Dukie07

I ordered 10 (it was the minimum order). I have extras. If you would like one for free, let me know. PM me. There are 2 sizes: women-children/medium and men/large.


107 posted on 09/22/2006 3:56:46 PM PDT by Dukie07
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To: Howlin
It has to change to fit the evidence

WHAT evidence?

What evidence is left?

108 posted on 09/22/2006 3:58:02 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: onyx

Nifong has no evidence but he has to come up with a timeline that puts all three players in the bathroom. He has a problem with Reade because of his alibi evidence. He does know the times that are related to Reade's alibi though so he's adjusted his timeline for them and condensed the non-rape from thity minutes to 5-10 minutes. That's all Reade's alibi allows for - if that. He would have had to have been on the phone while he was in the bathroom.

The thing is, he doesn't know what Collin's alibi is so he can't build his timeline around that yet.


109 posted on 09/22/2006 4:11:10 PM PDT by SarahUSC
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To: SarahUSC


Thank you, Sarah. That's my understanding too.
Nifong should have folded a long time ago.


110 posted on 09/22/2006 4:16:42 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: All

updated...

http://www.wral.com/news/9911326/detail.html


111 posted on 09/22/2006 4:19:47 PM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: maggief
The quote, "consistent with rape," is from the SANE nurse and doctor.

Actually the affidavit discussed in the article you linked and quoted has already been shown to have included lies. So I would not bet that the quotes attributed to the SANE in training are necessarily true.
112 posted on 09/22/2006 4:30:50 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Howlin

113 posted on 09/22/2006 4:38:32 PM PDT by TUAN_JIM (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: pepperhead

LOL. These clowns said the same thing when it was announced Dave Evans was going to speak to the media.


114 posted on 09/22/2006 4:39:02 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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To: TUAN_JIM

Excellent!!!!! Mind if I steal it?


115 posted on 09/22/2006 5:00:32 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Sure, I stole it from some other site.


116 posted on 09/22/2006 5:07:39 PM PDT by TUAN_JIM (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: SarahUSC
The three boys are all together with her in the bathroom. That has not been disputed. She describes them holding her.

Reade becomes the alibi for all of three boys......plus the fact that there is no DNA.

There is NO way they did this without leaving LIVE sperm, body hairs etc..

The case is stupid.

117 posted on 09/22/2006 5:18:19 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Dukie07; Ken H

The link that Ken H gave here before it was pulled!


118 posted on 09/22/2006 5:45:03 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: LongElegantLegs
Wait, so the run-up to this trial only seems to be taking months? Phew, I feel better.

LOL.........that was a most excellent post, my friend!

119 posted on 09/22/2006 5:45:46 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: abb
"I apologize if I'm not doing things the way they want things to be done," Nifong shot back. "This isn't the only (criminal) case in Durham."

Be honest, wouldn't you just love to smack the ever living crap out of him?

120 posted on 09/22/2006 5:47:04 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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