My Fellow Freepers, We need to have a talk.

None ^ | 14 SEP 06 | Tricky_K_1972

[tricky_k_1972]

Well, well..

Hopefully we are all here together and we can sit down to have a little chat.

Recently there has been reported in the news several stories about MoveOn.org's prejudice against the Jewish people.

I, among most of our Freeper audience, of course deplore this attitude and see it for what it is, the beginning of the same prejudices that were seen during the Second World War

At any point that the Jewish people are demonized, we need to be concerned, take note and realize the situation that we are in, take sides and Fight the Good Fight.

I however also deplore some whom are amongst us whom seem to think that it is acceptable to apply that same hatred and prejudice against the Islamic population as a whole.

Example: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1677375/posts

At certain times in history we as a civilized Republic are asked to make choices and decide how we will react as a Moral Nation to thase whom wish us harm.

We can either react like some of our Fore Fathers did and start up the prison camps (Japanese Americans), take away their rights and debase ourselves for our future generations, or we can fight the real enemy, IslamoFacism, and not pin every follower of Islam under the same light and IN FACT make all of Islam our enemy by our own choice.

I am neither naive nor stupid enough to believe that those that practice Islam have done enough on their own part to distance themselves from the radicals nor have they done enough to publicly denigrate those among them that follow the path of Radical Islam.

Nevertheless, it is not contingent upon them to do so for us to act in an appropriate manner.

WE DO NOT LET THEM DICTATE OUR MORALITY.

We are the followers of our religions and we bear the responsibility for those actions and what we do In His Name.

I do not mean that we should hold back in war, let the Generals decide what is appropriate reaction on the battlefield, that’s their job. If it takes firebombing an entire city to get them to have a "Change of Heart", so be it.

A soldier’s duty on the battlefield, however, does not dictate how we react as a society to prejudice, in whatever nasty form it comes in.

We do not blame children for learning from their teachers that 2 + 2 = 5, nor should we blame all of the Islamic society for the radicalism taught by madmen in their midst to their children.

We as Christians (sorry for generalizing) have many atrocities in our own past history to be ashamed of, we grew out of it and now are trying to pass that learning on to others.

We can not expect to teach the great values of our society if we are also damning them all to hell, doesn’t work all that well.

Saying that “All the Muslims Are to Blame" is just as bad as saying that "All the JEEWWWWSSSS are to blame"

[S.S. Monkeyface]

We are at war with Islam, just as we were once at war with a nation of Shintos and Buddhists that believed that once they had captured our soldiers and civilians they could do anything they wanted to to them.

But we were at war with teir ideology and their imperialism, not with Shintoism or Buddhism.

Same here.

[S.S. Monkeyface]

If they follow their religion at all, they cannot be our real friends.

Simple bigotry.

[spunkets]

"Hitler did in fact use religion to justify Nazism, only it was Christianity he used"

No he did not use Christianity. He used something that his propaganda people made and and called Christianity. Islam on the other hand has as it's fundamental teachings a demand to force everyone to submit to their claims. The jihadis are taking that to heart.

Hitler had to have his propaganda ministers comeup with some BS to con people. In the case of Islam, Muhammed did the conjuring up of BS.

[Darkwolf377]

You are confusing two separate issues, I have said already that you let Generals dictate War, wining is the only option on the battle front, you do what it takes. What we think as a society is a totally separate issue, we can not, we must not, let racism rule us at Home.

Explain how watching out for those who would kill us because of their religion is "racism"? I never said one word--not one--about "all Muslims" yet you are using this as an opportunity to climb back on your soap box and tell us all in your self-righteousness how YOU're not a racist. Yeah, that's nice--what does race have to do with MY point, which was that we don't excuse people because of beliefs they were taught once they become adults?

We must show the rest of the world and Muslim society what is the appropriate way to behave in a democratic Republic if we expect them to accept our form of government.

How is holding people responsible for their own individual actions opposed to that?

If we as a society show to the rest of the world that their is no possibility of living together with Muslims then they have no reason whatsoever to even think about changing, "Might as well fight, they hate us all anyway".

Your fervor is getting in the way of your reading ability. Please cut and paste where I said ANYTHING pertaining to "living with Muslims" other than that they should be treated as we treat ALL people--as individuals in the eyes of the law.

We have to be better than our enemy. Again, racism is NEVER justified, not according to my God.

I challenge you to cut and paste any racist comment I made. If you can't do so, I expect your God has something to say about bearing false witness, and you will promptly apologize for such a vile insinuation.

And in the future, try reading what I wrote, not what you want me to have written so you could reiterate that you're not a racist, the frequency of your declaration of such is rather odd.

[onyx]

The Nazi/Islam comparisons can be found HERE.

[tricky_k_1972]

"Thou Shalt not Suffer a witch to live" = Tens of thousands of women killed in God's name.

Thousands of Jews put to "The Question" = Thousands of Jews and Christians killed in God's name. (Christians were also killed, accused of being "Secret Jews")

Catholics and Protestants killing each other for not being "Christian" enough. (Weirdly alot of Catholics were killed an tortured by "Catholic" mercenaries accused of being protestants, some while holding the rosary in their hands)

We as Christians have committed our own atrocities in our past, in God's name and have learned, grown and come out the other side.

Do we blame all Christians forever for the transgressions of the past?

Do we forever blame all followers of Islam for the transgressions of the radicals now?

[A CA Guy]

That culture is not a fine culture. Anywhere where they rule themselves women are subject to human rights abuses.

When women have no rights and are abused, there is an absence of civility in the culture.

I have an open mind, but I read a lot to learn that not all Muslims are terrorist, but most all terrorist these days are Muslim.

[A CA Guy]

I agree with you, I think Islam needs major reform from within. Without it they are doomed to a world war with the rest of the world eventually.

Between all the Muslims we seen cheer regarding 9-11 and the lack of any Clerical Jihad again Osama Bin Laden and Radical Islam, I think most are in the side of the terrorist for sure.

[SunkenCiv]

we can fight the real enemy, IslamoFacism, and not pin every follower of Islam under the same light and IN FACT make all of Islam our enemy by our own choice.

I appreciate your point of view. Since I don't have much confidence in psychic mind reading abilities, however, the only way to be sure that Islam -- which was founded by a mass-murdering pedophile, liar, and plagiarist -- won't trouble the world (and its victims are Moslems as well as non-Moslems; in fact, Moslems may suffer more under the yoke of Islam than anyone has) is to obliterate it. This would not be genocide, it would be the extinction of medieval fascism and the medieval Mein Kampf that it calls its sacred word.

[Darkwolf377]

“Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

I guess the Pope is a "racist"?

[Darkwolf377]

I doubt my reaction is welcomed. To dare compare the Jewish people with the Islamic ones is reprehensible to me. I take exception to this and I would hope others will as well.

One doesn't blame a religion for the actions of a few, or many, of its followers IF those followers react in a way that is out of the ordinary.

So I wonder...where are the images of JEWS laughing and dancing on 9-11?

(crickets)

[El Cid]

Again, racism is NEVER justified, not according to my God.

You're creating a straw man. The issue is NOT 'racism'. The issue is islam. Be they Chechnians, Albanians, Marin County-ians, or Middle Eastern. Yes, praise the LORD that most mohammedans are 'poor followers' of their book. They are good folks, good neighbors, and as upright as any. The problem is that they claim to adhere to a book that requires them to convert, kill, or enslave (or to support those that do).
You say that you are a Christian. Good for you. As you know, most Christians are Christians in name only. They don't read God's Word (the Bible), nor attempt to walk in the Way (love your neighbor; where possible live at peace with all; and bring the Gospel). But they are dormant, and if they are blessed with the Spirit they will bring forth light to the world. Contrast this against those that claim the koran as their 'book'. Most don't read it, but IF these awaken from their dormancy their guidelines are death and mayhem (aka, 'Sudden Jihadi Syndrome').
You do a disservice to all, and particularly to our muslim brothers and sisters, by pretending this issue does not exist. Maybe we don't bludgeon them by pointing out the darkness contained in the koran -- but at least bring them the light of the Gospel, and pray and hope that they can connect the dots.

[SoldierDad]

When we have large numbers of Muslim leaders in the United States publicly denouncing and condemning the actions of these Islamo-facists then I will stand with them. Until that time, I will view them with suspicion and be watchful over them.

[unspun]

Thank you for the quotes from the Koran. There is violence in the Bible, since this world is a violating place. But, where national aggression was mandated, it was only in specific, discrete, highly limited times, at God's discretion and judgment. It belonged to an age long past.

The truely prophetic Word of God, where it comes as a universal command, is a mandate which respects the freedom of the human will (for good or ill).

Jesus, the ultimate Jew and the Savior of all, gave us a way of living in love and respect for our fellow man, that has, though his Kindom is not of this world, become the documented basis for civilization.

Islam is not only unnecessary; it is a perversion focused upon a man now long dead and a way of life, of vain ambition and guile, hardly the wisdom of God. We love Muslims as we love all people, even when we must defend earthly lives from some of them, and even enough to see them freed from the counterfeit to the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

[unspun]

As has been noted before, "Islam" means subjugation.

[onyx]

All Christians were Catholics for roughly 15 centuries.

How many religous wars do you wish to revisit in your attempt to soften Islam?

Islam is a nation without borders. Under Islam all institutions including government are subordinate.

Iraq might possibly prove the exception.

[SoldierDad]

"It was a Muslim whom informed the American soldiers where Saddam and his sons were."

Are you sure the person was Muslim? There are Christian Iraqi's in Iraq.

[onyx]

Here's another quote I saved:

To: Prospero

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth"

--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998

35 posted on 09/10/2006 4:15:38 PM CDT by Vision ("As a man thinks...so is he." Proverbs 23:7)

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[tricky_k_1972]

I apologies for my misinterpretation of what you were getting at (reading to fast).

Holding individuals responsible for their actions is a little different and "Watching Out" for problems within a society Known for problems would never be wrong, lets not search little old ladies and skip the Muslim so as to not to hurt his feelings.

Our reaction to be suspicious towards Muslims was not what I was commenting on, I of course think we should, thats being smart.

What I was originally commenting on was the reactions by some here on the board of the "Kill them all" and let God sort them out mentality, or the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim mentality and while there might not have been any whom have used those words directly, the insinuation has very much been there, THAT is what we must not tolerate.

I again apologies.

[BruceysMom]

The difference is Christianity stopped killing people. Islam was founded on it and will never stop according to their own book. And just fwi, thou shalt not suffer a witch to live is in the The first covenant, not the second "Christian" book.