My Fellow Freepers, We need to have a talk.

None ^ | 14 SEP 06 | Tricky_K_1972

[tricky_k_1972]

Well, well..

Hopefully we are all here together and we can sit down to have a little chat.

Recently there has been reported in the news several stories about MoveOn.org's prejudice against the Jewish people.

I, among most of our Freeper audience, of course deplore this attitude and see it for what it is, the beginning of the same prejudices that were seen during the Second World War

At any point that the Jewish people are demonized, we need to be concerned, take note and realize the situation that we are in, take sides and Fight the Good Fight.

I however also deplore some whom are amongst us whom seem to think that it is acceptable to apply that same hatred and prejudice against the Islamic population as a whole.

Example: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1677375/posts

At certain times in history we as a civilized Republic are asked to make choices and decide how we will react as a Moral Nation to thase whom wish us harm.

We can either react like some of our Fore Fathers did and start up the prison camps (Japanese Americans), take away their rights and debase ourselves for our future generations, or we can fight the real enemy, IslamoFacism, and not pin every follower of Islam under the same light and IN FACT make all of Islam our enemy by our own choice.

I am neither naive nor stupid enough to believe that those that practice Islam have done enough on their own part to distance themselves from the radicals nor have they done enough to publicly denigrate those among them that follow the path of Radical Islam.

Nevertheless, it is not contingent upon them to do so for us to act in an appropriate manner.

WE DO NOT LET THEM DICTATE OUR MORALITY.

We are the followers of our religions and we bear the responsibility for those actions and what we do In His Name.

I do not mean that we should hold back in war, let the Generals decide what is appropriate reaction on the battlefield, that’s their job. If it takes firebombing an entire city to get them to have a "Change of Heart", so be it.

A soldier’s duty on the battlefield, however, does not dictate how we react as a society to prejudice, in whatever nasty form it comes in.

We do not blame children for learning from their teachers that 2 + 2 = 5, nor should we blame all of the Islamic society for the radicalism taught by madmen in their midst to their children.

We as Christians (sorry for generalizing) have many atrocities in our own past history to be ashamed of, we grew out of it and now are trying to pass that learning on to others.

We can not expect to teach the great values of our society if we are also damning them all to hell, doesn’t work all that well.

Saying that “All the Muslims Are to Blame" is just as bad as saying that "All the JEEWWWWSSSS are to blame"

[tricky_k_1972]

Just some thoughts, reactions welcome and hoped for.

[Xenalyte]

Just for purposes of furthering your comparison, which Jews beheaded contractors and reporters in the '30s?

[indcons]

You asked for opinions.

Here's mine - Some misplaced sympathy you have there (IMO); comparisons between the Jews and the Muslims are not fair.

[StarCMC]

We are the followers of our religions and we bear the responsibility for those actions and what we do In His Name.

Yes, well, we (generalizing) have been told to love our enemy. They have been told to kill the infidel. Big difference.

[TWohlford]

I once lived in Dearborn, aka "Dearbornistan."

I know that 99% of the Muslims that I met were good people, people that are hard-working good people who made great neighbors.

I also know that the people in the Middle East have almost nothing in common with one another. Arabs vs Persians vs Kurds, or Jews vs Muslims vs Christians (and Hindus?)... you get the idea.

The trick is to condemn the sub-cultures, and religious factions, that cause us harm, while welcoming those who are really intent on being our friends.

YEs, you may flame away... but I'm a big boy, and I can defend myself.

[TWohlford]

"Yes, well, we (generalizing) have been told to love our enemy. They have been told to kill the infidel. Big difference."

We just need to remember our Prime Directive, and not end up with theirs.....

[Gordongekko909]

My problem isn't with Muslims generally. I know a few and they're pretty cool. I do, however, have a problem with Islam.

I'm not a big Christian myself, so the most I can do is "convert" the Muslims I know to atheism. Hey, at least they aren't Mohammedans anymore.

[TWohlford]

"Just for purposes of furthering your comparison, which Jews beheaded contractors and reporters in the '30s?"

I'm not sure where culture ends and religion begins, but I'm pretty sure that there are millions of muslims that would never dream of such a thing. The trick is to know the difference....

[blam]

If all the Muslims in the world suddenly died, I wouldn't care.

[Fledermaus]

We do not blame children for learning from their teachers that 2 + 2 = 5, nor should we blame all of the Islamic society for the radicalism taught by madmen in their midst to their children.

Wrong. They have no choice or else the fanatics will kill them too. You think parents have the rights to tell the Whabbi freaks they CAN'T teach their children this garbage?

If so you live in a fantasy world. The only way to FORCE (and they need to be forced) these cowardly Muslims (like the Saudi and Jordanian and Egyptian royals) to clamp down on the fanatical radicals of Islam in their own country is to threaten their lives ourselves.

It's clear they won't fight it on their own.

[judyyama]

All I have to say is this: History is littered with nations who were blessed until they failed to nip in the bud any semblance of anti-semitism. Spain under Torquemada and of course Nazi Germany are just a couple from recent history.

Thanks for your post. I am also disturbed about these recent rumblings...

[tricky_k_1972]

How many "Witches" were burned for Christianity?

I am a Christian and a Conservative, I however do not blame all of Christianity, now and forever, for all the thousands of women that were killed in God's name back then, nor do I think that all Christians back then were doomed to hell and should have been slaughtered for the transgreshions of those that did evil in His Name.

[ClearCase_guy]

The trick is to condemn the sub-cultures, and religious factions, that cause us harm, while welcoming those who are really intent on being our friends.

So, it's OK to condemn the Muslims.

[jan in Colorado]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I will have to pray and meditate on this for a while.

I will start with...I don't hate Muslims, but I hate Islam!

[usmcobra]

There is a few flaws in your argument, during WWII The Jews weren't trying to kill us all to further their religion and the Japanese Americans that were interned enlisted and fought with a bravery for this country that has never been matched by any other single ethnic group.

Islam has as a core belief the idea that all other peoples of the world must submit to islamic rule or be killed.

[DocRock]

"We can either react like some of our Fore Fathers did and start up the prison camps (Japanese Americans), take away their rights and debase ourselves..."

When my father was a small child, my grandparents lived in Daytona Beach. During WWII, they had black outs to prevent the Submarines offshore from sighting the tankers and freighters traveling up and down the coast. The Japanese were not as big of an issue as the Germans were in that time and place. Many Germans were also placed into internment camps, however, there was a wealthy grove owner that was German and he was left alone due to his status. He was an upstanding member of the local community and attended church regularly with many of the local politicians. He was also a family friend and he used to take my dad for "horsey rides" by bouncing him on his knee.

One day this fine upstanding pillar of the community disappeared. After the local authorities searched for him, they located a short wave transmitter in one of his pump houses in his grove. He was a spy. He sent info to the German subs off the coast regarding the ships he sighted traveling off the coast and many were destroyed resulting in loss of life and cargo. There was evidence of an inflatable raft found later which he used to row out to a sub to repatriate to Germany.

So, I have no idea how to determine where somebody's loyalty lies, but my family taught me a good lesson. You can't judge a book by it's cover and you can't trust your enemy. No matter how nice they are.

[I see my hands]

"We do not blame children for learning from their teachers that 2 + 2 = 5"

You may not blame them but reality will show no pity.

[tricky_k_1972]

There have been several attempted attacks stopped by good patriotic American Muslims telling what they know right hear in our own country.

Their have been numerous stories of Muslims saving our soldiers by informing them of bombs and weapons cache's.

Their are now Muslims travailing our nation, giving speeches and attempting to inform the American public of the dangers in our midst and the dangers to come.

It was a Muslim whom informed the American soldiers where Saddam and his sons were.

It will be most likely a Muslim whom eventually leads us to the capture of Osama bin Laden.


It was a little Muslim girl whom sat in the middle of a road, the day after being given a teddy bear by a G.I., right next to a land mine and saved our sons and daughters lives.

[uglybiker]

If we do that, then how the hell are we supposed ta nuke 'em till the glow?!!

You've been spendin' entirely too much time away from your keyboard!