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Sudoku math puzzle / proof (vanity)
None ^ | Aug 29, 2006 | self

Posted on 08/29/2006 9:17:38 AM PDT by taxcontrol

Folks, I'm stumped... I need help with the following:

Given - Two completed suduko puzzles A (correct answer) and R (unknown result).

Question: What is the fewest number of checks that can be made to prove that A = R for the following assumptions:

Assumption1 Assume that in R, no sub area has any duplicate numbers (ie, 1-9 inclusive)

Assumption2 Assume that in R, no row has any duplicate numbers (can also be proven using columns instead of rows.

Also - prove true or false When A = R, the diagonals will always include at least 1 duplicate number

Write a proof for each.


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To: PBRSTREETGANG

END!CASE


Yep.... that line is fine. In fact all of it is fine. It solves any valid Soduko in less than a second.

;-)


21 posted on 08/29/2006 9:42:37 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

I could be wrong, but I believe that is the longest post I've ever seen. Congratulations! : ' }


22 posted on 08/29/2006 9:43:02 AM PDT by deaconjim
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To: taxcontrol

It is clarion. I can compile it and email you a zipped copy if you want.

freepmail me an email if you want a copy.


23 posted on 08/29/2006 9:43:45 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: CougarGA7

Wassup with #11 'puter dude?


24 posted on 08/29/2006 9:43:54 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Where did I leave my matches?)
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To: dinoparty

You're gonna kill me. Simply push the cork into the bottle and remove coin.

I love riddles.


25 posted on 08/29/2006 9:45:57 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Koblenz
Good example for the answer of False. Now... any idea of how to put this in math terms as a proof? I had a slightly different variation on what you provided as an example. I just cant seem to get this into a proof.

It's like, I can SEE that a circle is round, I just don't know how to prove that a circle is round.
26 posted on 08/29/2006 9:46:10 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Easy for YOU to say!


27 posted on 08/29/2006 9:46:49 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: taxcontrol

It's been too long since I've done a proof. Don't know if it helps but if correctly solved, every row, column, and subarea in a 9x9 suduko puzzle will sum to 45.


28 posted on 08/29/2006 9:47:19 AM PDT by Hoodlum91 (I've been rocked.)
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To: Quilla

Technically, if you push the cork into the bottle, you have removed it from the opening. LOL.


29 posted on 08/29/2006 9:47:30 AM PDT by dinoparty
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To: dinoparty

But you haven't "taken it out" of the bottle.


30 posted on 08/29/2006 9:51:26 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: taxcontrol
This is more interesting question than how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pops.
31 posted on 08/29/2006 9:52:23 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Quilla

Force the cork all the way into the bottle, and dump out the coin. The cork hasn't been "taken out" and in fact is still very much "in the bottle."


32 posted on 08/29/2006 9:55:24 AM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

I knew it! Thanks for confirming it for me!!


33 posted on 08/29/2006 9:56:11 AM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: Hoodlum91
Right, that would be on the order of:

From Given (definition of a suduko 3x3 puzzle) each row, column and sub area will consist only of the number set, 1 through 9 inclusive, with no repeated numbers.

The test for compliance for this assumption would be Sigma, place value 1 through 9. The result of this test must equal 45. Any other result fails this test.

For Assumption1 and Assumption2 to be true, this test must be passed for R.
34 posted on 08/29/2006 9:56:37 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Always Right

According to Owl, three.


35 posted on 08/29/2006 9:57:23 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol
Sorry, I've graduated onto kakuro...
36 posted on 08/29/2006 10:00:17 AM PDT by mikrofon (Kukukachu)
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To: taxcontrol

A Sudoku puzzle has a unique solution (A), with no duplication in subareas, rows, or columns. You're told already that R, a proposed solution, has no duplication in subareas or rows. The only thing that would prevent R from being a solution (hence equal to A) is duplication in columns.

Let's consider cases: suppose R is different from A in only one position. No can do, because this would screw up subareas or rows. So R has to be different from A in an "entire" subarea or "entire" row. Consider a subarea: In order not to screw up the rows, I think R's subarea would have to be a reflection across its vertical midline, if the original problem permits this. Consider a row: I don't think it's possible. Any permutation of a row would screw up any subarea that the permutation crosses.

So for R to be different and obey the given constraints, one (or more) subareas would have to be a reflection across its vertical midline. I don't know if this is even possible with any solvable Sudoku puzzle, but this constrains the needed test to at most nine. You can reduce this number further by looking at which subareas could be so reflected given the initial puzzle data.


37 posted on 08/29/2006 10:00:39 AM PDT by AZLiberty (Creating the <a href="http://clinton.senate.gov">straddle</a> Google bomb one post at a time.)
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To: taxcontrol
According to Owl, three.

And that would be my answer. Check Row 1, Row 4, and Row 7 and you should have the identical puzzles. Not sure how to prove that is correct though. The smallest unique puzzles start out with 17 numbers.

38 posted on 08/29/2006 10:08:10 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: AZLiberty
Hmmmm, you have opened up a thought avenue that I have not pursued so far. I see some differences from the starting assumptions as your thoughts seem to flow from an assumption3 where BOTH row and sub areas comply with the uniqueness test.

If the starting assumption that you proceed from is only rows or only sub areas or only columns are unique.... might be different.

I will explore. Thanks for the fresh perspective!!!
39 posted on 08/29/2006 10:09:09 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Oh. I see you went for the simple to program one...


40 posted on 08/29/2006 10:14:47 AM PDT by JRios1968 (This kid knows how to wallop a baseball!!!!!!)
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