Posted on 08/22/2006 12:16:22 PM PDT by commish
Day 1996 photo that they believe indicates Karr was in Atlanta when the 6-year-old girl was killed in Colorado.
Gary Harris, an attorney for Karr's father, Wexford Karr, said Tuesday that the photo is of John Mark Karr's three children, along with a newborn nephew.
While John Mark Karr is not actually in the photo, family members "have no recollection of him missing a Christmas until the last five years," Harris said.
"They know that if his children were there, he would have been there," the attorney said. "They would have remembered it if they all had shown up and [John Mark Karr] had not shown up."
The nephew's presence in the photo is the basis for the family's belief that it was taken in 1996. Harris said the boy was born Dec. 11, 1996, and would have been bigger at any later Christmas gathering.
The photo, taken at Wexford Karr's home in Atlanta, was turned over to Boulder police investigators on Tuesday, Harris said. He said the family would not release the photo to the media to protect the privacy of the children in the picture.
Harris said John Mark Karr's family was living in Alabama in 1996 and had come to Atlanta for dinner on Christmas Day.
JonBenet Ramsey was killed that Christmas night in Boulder, and her body discovered the following day in the basement of the Ramseys' home.
Harris called "far-fetched" a law enforcement suggestion that Karr could have had dinner with the family, then flown to Boulder on Christmas afternoon.
"At the time this happened 10 years ago, [John Mark] Karr was living in Alabama with his family — they were a unified family at that time — and they had no money," Harris said. "It wasn't like he could just run out and buy a plane ticket. It doesn't make any sense."
By the way, you point up something else. All the MSM outlets refer to this girl as a "beauty queen". I prefer the term "exploited child". If the Ramseys had nothing to do with it directly, then they put their kid up there as a sex object for perverts to drool over. Haven't you see the video clip with her in the cowgirl outfit, shaking her tucus like a two-bit street whore? Mamma taught her that move, I'm sure. Why the surprise when some sleazoid rose to the bait?
I did not know that. She certainly acts like a Lady, that's for certain.
The problem is that we really don't know if the beauty pageants have anything to do with the murder.
Just like when the media reports a prostitute is murdered. Does it assume that the killer knew her because she was a prostitute? Maybe she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time or maybe the killer just took out the next available woman he could isolate and kill. It's a one-to-one corollary I don't accept at face value.
I can accept:
1) Child beauty pageants attract pedophiles.
2) Some pedophiles kill.
But I can't presume from that that because a child beauty pageant entrant was murdered - even by a pedophile - that it was the pageant that drew the pedophile to murder her. If the evidence points that way, I can easily accept that could be the case but I can't assume that b follows a without any linkage. JBR was, by all accounts, a beauty for her age. Maybe that alone lured a killer even if she had never set foot on a stage.
As to what the media labels her, I think they are finding a label with which the public could most easily identify her. Why should the viewer care about this case? Answer: because she was a beauty pageant winner. (It ought to be good enough to say "because she was a six year old girl" but she's not the only murdered six year old girl so this label sets her apart in the public's mind). It's just the nature of media storytelling.
That's what I get for relying on my memory instead of the ever-reliable Internet Search.
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However, reading that Karr had a website, it is very possible that the guilty party latched onto Karr, couldn't remain totally silent forever, and revealed the condition of JonBenet's body. The D.A. has said that Karr knew facts only the killer would know.
I have plenty of Christmas pictures without me in them. I am generally the photographer, and I am also camera shy when I don't feel I look my best (lately a lot.)
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Child beauty pageants, child rapists or not, are harmful to the children involved, and probably to other children who are not involved, but are aware of them. They turn otherwise normal girls into materialistic self-centered b!tches who think that what they look like is paramount over every other characteristic that a child might possess. They inspire the "losers" to eating disorders, such as anorexia and bulemia, and they focus attention on an adult sexuality, that little kids cannot handle.
JBR would be alive today if her sicko mother did not try to raise her in the lifestyle she was raised.
I still say that Christmas Eve and Christmas Day are celebrated in differant ways and mabye their "Christmas" was actually held on Chistmas Eve, and that way, the family could travel back to Alabamy in a reasonable way......
and , its not like this family is a close knit family....the dad thought John-boy was dead for a while and the brother had no idea where he was for the last few years......
well, I think daddy could have said something too....don't discount that he allowed JonBenet to go on with that stupidity......
I can't believe people are actually being serious when they come up with these wacko scenerios. You think the Ramsey's were this involved in something like this when the police or all the masses of other people that have investigated this case have never found even a hint of anything lurid in the family's past? Please, come back and join us when you enter into reality again.
its not my sign... heh... found the pic on the net. Im happy the dog is watering that sign.. that makes it funny =)
I think you meant that for me, not hunter. I'll say again that I don't believe it to be true but it is a scenario that makes all the pieces fall into place - the staging of the murder scene, the ransom note, the defensiveness of the Ramseys in dealing with law enforcement, etc.
There are as many clues that point to the Ramseys being involved, at least to cover it up, as there are clues that point to some intruder. This theory at least explains how both could be true.
I don't believe it because I don't believe the Ramseys are that evil and, yet, many wealthy and acceptable people have some bizarre things in their background that they successfully hide for years. Who knew about O.J.'s dark side until Nicole was found dead?
That's why I hold them both responsible for what happened to her, even if it wasn't an inside job, they still exposed her to whomever did it.
Ok, and you keep pinning your hopes on it being this gender-identity-confused media hound. When the DNA results come back as it being not him, the Boulder cops are going to look stupid again. Just like they did almost ten years ago when they let the Ramseys' attorney have his way with them.
By the way, the quote you used wasn't mine. It seems pretty far fetched to me, but somebody in that family did it, and the rest have all covered up for the guilty party. I'm hoping the renewed scrutiny on this case might help turn up a lead that does find the truth.
Atlanta is a big, big city. I find it difficult to make that tenuous connection.
Thanks for your thoughtful post. Give me a ping if you come across a good thread or post on this.
Right. cf. Mr. Klaas and Mr. Lunsford.
The Ramseys and Aisenbergs handled it quite differently.
The Klaas and Lunsford cases have been solved. The others.....have not.
All true but it would be important to note that much of that is post-2001, after John Karr got divorced and left the country. The fact that there were family photos from Christmas 1996 with other family members (even if no picture of John in the photo has yet surfaced) would demonstrate that they weren't estranged from the rest of the family at that time, even if they weren't exactly the Waltons.
I can only guess that Jonbenet's bedwetting problems might be a reason for a pediatrician to check that area for possible skin irritation.
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