"COLD CASE" - TWA FLIGHT 800 Movement in D.C. on FBI cover-up

World Net Daily.com ^ | August 17, 2006 | Jack Cashill

[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

*Before* the Clinton Circus came to town, I used to always assume that when things were hushed, it was due to a covert investigation taking place. During and even afterward, if it happened during the three ring circus, it was and remained a cover-up.

Thanks for reminding us of the covert angle.

[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

Oh...the wake turbulance one?

[ishabibble]

I read every single post before I decided to reply myself.
The TWA 800 explosion crash investigation has been pushed and pulled, and muddied and twisted until it's become almost like one of those "US bombed WTC" stories.
I've read many articles with interest, and I've watched the various TV documentaries about TWA 800. My opinion on this tragedy has been sort of like making a quilt, one square at a time.

I believe that the gov't covered up a terrorist act. Experts are far more knowledgeable than I, but the Clinton coverup team's biggest gaffe is sitting in a airport hangar. Why reassemble and keep the wreckage all this time for any other purpose but to say, "See! See! it's all right here and you can look for yourself"? It's smoke and mirrors, it is a pathetic metal hulk of lies, it is proof positive of the Clinton cowardice.

One other item that interests me is the report of two ME men renting a boat and slip, but only using it for the one night. After that, they disappeared. Does anyone recall that part of it?

[Cagey]

G'morning, Calpernia!

I just don't recall the details, but I think it was a container that would hold a weapon that was found. And I think it was "explained" as coming from a military exercise.

[Northern Yankee]

I think so...

[Calpernia]

I know I was in the car and I remember hearing: NY, buried on a beach, rocket launchers. It was after the TWA incident and that is all I can remember.

[kevinm13]

Lets keep the pressure on so the case doesn't too cold. I didn't believe it was terrorism at the time even though I had been in the World Trade Center when it was bombed in 1993. The more I read about it the more I now believe it was terrorism and the Clintonistas have been and are covering it up.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Saw a Discovery channel on this last week. Now they are claiming that a short in the wiring to the fuel pump caused the explosion by sending high voltage into the tank.
This seems to be a different explanation from the original one.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Where did you get information that the Exploded spent time in Pakistan?

[Swordmaker]

As a matter of fact, pilots know with the post-explosion CG shift, zoom climb is not speculation, it is required physical event in this crash.

In 10 years not one 747 pilot has ever agreed that shifting the CofG back as far as it was shifted would cause a zoom climb. They have said that it would cause the wing to stall...

BTW "flight idle" is still a good deal of thrust

Not according to Boeing... and it is not "flight idle" but a complete idle mode. According to Boeing, when signal is lost from the flight deck, the engines immediately return to idle. No thrust to speak of at all.

If the aircraft had traded forward momentum for altitude it would not have crashed into the ocean where it did... it would have crashed miles closer to the initiating event location... it didn't... ergo, no zoom climb. I've done the math... right here on FR.

[cyborg]

I recall that part of it. You're very thorough and not given to emotion it seems. Very good post!

[PhiKapMom]

From a local law enforcement type and his roommate was from Pakistan. He spent according to what I was told almost six months in Pakistan altogether.

[PhiKapMom]

Same here with Clinton! This time I think it is the investigation because a lot of things have happened here to make me believe in the last few months it was hushed because of an ongoing investigation.

[justshutupandtakeit]

It has been well advertised that the roomate was Paki. But I have never heard this other claim before. However, I would like to see more concrete evidence than hearsay though.

Thanks for your help.

[bmwcyle]

Ask Jack with an e-mail. He has responded to my e-mails in the past.

[american spirit]

There's an old FR thread called "Batting a Thousand" if you can find it.....it's based on a NYT column in late '93 detailing what happened with WTC'93 and the fact that a certain fedgov agency had an informant within the terrorist group who warned them repeatedly what was about to come down yet nothing was done to stop that heinous act.

[Nachum]

You need to be a special kind of idiot to believe that the U.S. military would take part in this sort of coverup. Leave us out of this, please.

As to whether I am a special idiot or your garden variety can be debated, but it is a matter of public record that the NTSB was prohibited to investigate the case and only US military (Navy) divers were allowed to search the wreckage and later house the wreckage of the plane. The plane's parts were prohibited from public inspection.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the US military was up to its ears in this.

Have a nice day.

[A Balrog of Morgoth]

The plane's parts were prohibited from public inspection.

Crashscene debris is usually open to the public? do they sell tickets, or can you get in for free?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the US military was up to its ears in this.

Oddly, enough I was stationed on the one the two navy salvage ships involved some years after the event. The CO, the Command Master Diver, and some of the more senior divers on board had all been involved with the recovery of debris.

I'll take my in-person face to face evaluation of the basic human decency of those divers over your crackaddled keyboard punditry.

The only thing worse then a conspiracy addict is a conspiracy addict who tries to drag the U.S. Military into his paranoid delusions.

Any of you tinfoilers want to drag out the old "well maybe the U.S. Navy accidently shot the plane down" routine? Or has that old canard been too thoroughly discredited?

This whole thread is straight out of the loonybin.

[MindBender26]

>In 10 years not one 747 pilot has ever agreed that shifting the CofG back as far as it was shifted would cause a zoom climb. They have said that it would cause the wing to stall...

I don't know what conspiracy posters you are listening to, but in a climb instituted by CG shift aft, it is not a rotational force caused by elevators, but rather a weight shift. Does not stall until has run out of the forward momentum potential delta. Claim about "no 747 pilot" is simply bogus.

>>BTW "flight idle" is still a good deal of thrust

>Not according to Boeing... and it is not "flight idle" but a complete idle mode. According to Boeing, when signal is lost from the flight deck, the engines immediately return to idle. No thrust to speak of at all.

I'm sorry, but is is becoming obvious that you are not a pilot, at least not one with turbine time. If you do not understand the power necessary to keep a fanjet engines running (at the minimum speed that they will stay running while inflight called "flight idle") by moving sufficient air through the compressor turbine wheels to keep burners lit, and the necessary residual thrust created by the fan and the EPRs at that engine speed, then no need for further discussion.

Jet engines in flight produce tremendous residual thrust. In some A/C it is 60% of rated power although 50 to 30% is more typical! Hardest thing for a propeller airplane pilot to learn how to do in a jet is slow down in enough time to get down (to a lower altitude/prepare for gear/flap extension.)

I would love to see your mathematical computation proving it was hit by a missile.

[BluH2o]

One other item that interests me is the report of two ME men renting a boat and slip, but only using it for the one night. After that, they disappeared. Does anyone recall that part of it?

Remember it ... hell, I've asked the same question from time to time in this forum. This story was circulating within a day or so of the plane plummeting into the Atlantic off the south shore of LI. Nothing ever seemed to come of it ... thanks, I'm sure, to the FBI agent in charge Kelstram (sp?), it was shortly after his visit to Washington that the empty fuel tank explosion theory got pushed to the fore front as probable cause. I think Kelstram was told in no uncertain terms, to move his investigation away from the missile/terrorism theory.