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Confession in JonBenet case questioned (Picked her up at school?)
Yahoo ^ | 8/17/06

Posted on 08/17/2006 5:58:41 PM PDT by Mr. Brightside

Confession in JonBenet case questioned

By CATHERINE TSAI and JON SARCHE, Associated Press

Writers 38 minutes ago

BOULDER, Colo. - For a moment, it seemed the decade-old mystery surrounding the slaying of a child beauty queen had been solved. But authorities Thursday cautioned against rushing to judge the schoolteacher who made a stunning confession that he killed JonBenet Ramsey.

For now, the only public evidence against John Mark Karr are his own words. And questions have already been raised about the details of his story, including whether he drugged the 6-year-old girl, sexually assaulted her or was even in Colorado at the time of the slaying.

Those questions led some to wonder whether Karr was the answer to the long-unsolved slaying or a disturbed wannabe trying to insert himself into a high-profile case.

"We should all heed the poignant advice of John Ramsey," Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy, quoting the little girl's father. "Do not jump to conclusions, do not rush to judgment, do not speculate. Let the justice system take its course."

Paraded before a raucous crush of reporters in Bangkok, Thailand, the sullen Karr told how he loved JonBenet, was with her when she died but that her death was an accident. And while vague on the details — "it would take several hours" — he answered flatly when asked if he was innocent: "No."

"The bottom line is that they now have a confession and until and unless they can corroborate that confession with either physical evidence or strong circumstantial evidence, that's all they have," said Scott Robinson, a Denver attorney who has followed the case from the beginning.

Added former Denver prosecutor Craig Silverman: "I have to believe they have more than this kooky confession."

Karr told investigators he drugged and sexually assaulted the little girl before accidentally killing her in her Boulder home, according to a senior Thai police officer who was briefed about the interview with U.S. authorities.

Yet JonBenet's autopsy report found no evidence of drugs, saying her death was caused by strangulation after a beating that included a fractured skull. And while it describes vaginal injuries, it makes no conclusions about whether she was raped. Investigators later concluded there was no semen on JonBenet's body.

According to Thai police, Karr also said he picked JonBenet up at school and took her back to her home. But the slaying came during the holiday vacation season.

Karr's ex-wife told TV reporters she cannot defend him, then insisted he was with her in Alabama during Christmas 1996, when JonBenet's battered body was found in the basement of her home. And authorities have not said whether Karr could have written the detailed ransom note found in the Ramsey home, with its demand for $118,000 (the bonus that had recently been awarded to the girl's father, John Ramsey).

Even the Colorado professor who swapped four years' worth of e-mails with Karr and brought him to the attention of prosecutors in May refused to characterize the suspect either as killer or kook.

"I don't know that he's guilty," said Michael Tracey, who teaches journalism at the University of Colorado. "Obviously, I went to the district attorney for a reason, but let him have his day in court and let JonBenet have her day in court and let's see how it plays out."

Karr himself added to the mystery, telling The Associated Press in Bangkok that JonBenet's death was "not what it seems to be."

Asked what happened when JonBenet died, he said: "It would take several hours to describe that. It's a very involved series of events that would involve a lot of time. It's very painful for me to talk about it."

Karr's background includes an arrest in Petaluma, Calif., in April 2001 on five misdemeanor counts of possession of child pornography, to which he pleaded not guilty. He had not been seen by authorities after violating the terms of his release, which included avoiding child pornography and places where children congregate, such as schools, beaches and parks

Any previous relationship between Karr and the Ramseys remained a mystery Thursday, though both have ties to suburban Atlanta. District Attorney Lacy refused to discuss the case during a brief news conference and suggested Karr's arrest may have been forced by concern over public safety and fears the suspect might flee.

"There are circumstances that exist in any case that mandate an arrest before an investigation is complete," Lacy said.

Karr, 41, was arrested at a Bangkok apartment Wednesday, a day after he began teaching second grade at an international school, Lacy said.

Hours later, Thai authorities sat him before a crowded room of news crews. Karr stunned reporters by admitting: "I was with JonBenet when she died. Her death was an accident."

"I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet," Karr told the AP.

Thai police said Karr told them the slaying was only second-degree murder. One expert suggested his confession was geared to spare him a first-degree murder charge.

"He seemed convinced that what he said would make him guilty of a lesser crime," said Sharon L. Davies, a former prosecutor at the Ohio State University law school who has studied confessions. "It's hard to understand how that would be the case and how the physical evidence that has been at least reported about her killing would support his description of this as an accident."

Legal experts said DNA evidence will likely be key: DNA was found beneath JonBenet's fingernails and inside her underwear and authorities have never said whether it matches anyone in an FBI database. U.S. and Thai officials did not directly answer a question at a news conference about whether there was DNA evidence connecting Karr to the crime.

Karr was given a mouth-swab DNA test in Bangkok, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation. The results of that test were not immediately known. Karr will be given another DNA test when he returns to the United States in the next several days, the official said.

Karr will be taken within the week to Colorado, where he will face charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault, Ann Hurst of the Department of Homeland Security told reporters in Bangkok.

Lin Wood, the Ramsey family's longtime attorney in Atlanta, said Karr went to great lengths to conceal his identity in e-mails to the university professor, going so far as to use a computer server in Canada.

Asked if authorities could tell whether Karr had firsthand knowledge of the murder or had just picked up information from news accounts, Wood said: "There is information about the murder that has never been publicly disclosed." He did not elaborate.

Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, was quoted by San Francisco television station KGO saying she was with her former husband in Alabama at the time of JonBenet's killing and she does not believe he was involved in the homicide.

Denver attorney Larry Pozner, past president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, said there were "serious questions" about the case.

"I hope we have found the murderer of JonBenet, but I have not heard the evidence that compels that conclusion," he said.

Karr's description of the case as an accident also rang false to experts.

"It's hard to imagine a more intentional, deliberate murder than hitting a little girl in the head so hard that she had almost a foot-long fracture in her skull and then deliberately fashioning a garrotte to twist until it buries in her neck and slowly stops her breathing," said Silverman, the former Denver prosecutor. "This has always been a case of deliberate murder."


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: 15minutesoffame; boulder; johnmarkkarr; jonbenetramsey; ramsey
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To: oceanview
If he is connected to the Ramsey case he simply may have ran across pictures of her during a child porn swap and sought her out. Of course they still have not released any info (if they have it) that puts him in Colorado in December of 1996.)

I bet that photos of these dolled up pageant children are hot swapping material among pedophiles (they do not just collect hardcore child porn). Just look at how teenage cheerleader photos are hot these days, anything teenage to child related to feed their sickness and fantasies.

If JonBenet photos where not hot among pedophiles before she was murdered, then I would bet they became very hot items among pedophiles after her death.
81 posted on 08/17/2006 7:57:56 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: Sacajaweau

well, you would think then that this business associate would now come forward.


82 posted on 08/17/2006 7:58:10 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: mystery-ak
We don't know what is happening behind the scenes and who has stepped to the plate.

Would you ever think your babysitter/tutor capable of such a thing? Now that we have a face, things are different. People will be coming out of the woodwork. With so much time having passed, the PROOF will be difficult but his resume and that note tells us that he embellishes to his convenience.

83 posted on 08/17/2006 8:00:59 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

You're right about that...I'm off to bed....night all


84 posted on 08/17/2006 8:02:00 PM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero..............)
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To: mystery-ak

see my post in #81 - this one possibility of how he may have learned about her before she murdered.


85 posted on 08/17/2006 8:04:11 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: mystery-ak

good night mystery-ak


86 posted on 08/17/2006 8:05:23 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: Sacajaweau
I think the DA might have a photo of someone who appears to be Karr at the gravesite or the home on one or more anniversaries of her death.

She did mention the word "anniversaries" today in the press conference when asked about tips, etc.

87 posted on 08/17/2006 8:08:59 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: oceanview
Someone has likely already stepped forward. If you want a "good case", you need THREE pieces of "evidence" of the highest order to eliminate reasonable doubt. This is NOT going to be a circumstantial case.

Karr left the note as an insurance policy if he ever got caught. He proved it today when he said "It was an accident" AND "It would be second degree murder" because it was an accident.

88 posted on 08/17/2006 8:10:19 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: The people have spoken

This guy may be a nutcase, but any country that cannot use the word "Christmas" in a news story is equally nutty ("holiday season"!!!). Our country is just going to produce more and more of these fruitcases as the p.c. becomes weirder and weirder.


89 posted on 08/17/2006 8:11:09 PM PDT by The Westerner
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To: Sacajaweau

well, he doesn't know much about the legal system then. the note isn't going to buy him anything.


90 posted on 08/17/2006 8:12:12 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Some shrink will analyize the note and tell us what is wrong with his brain and use it as an "insanity" case if it comes to that.


91 posted on 08/17/2006 8:15:17 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau; oceanview; All

Details Of John Mark Karr's Arrest
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=4471016

Aug. 17 - KGO - Colorado police did find DNA under JonBenet's fingernails when she was killed ten years ago. They're expected to try to match that against the suspect's. Meanwhile, ABC7 has uncovered more information about the circumstances of John Karr's arrest.

Karr was arrested in Bangkok after being under watch for some time by U.S. officials. They had rented rooms at the Budget Hotel where he was staying. It was in a neighborhood of massage parlors and travel agencies catering to expatriates and sex tourists.

U.S. and Thai authorities sorted through and wheeled away his possessions, including a laptop computer.

The Boulder D.A. says they moved in now because Karr had just started work as a second-grade teacher in a Bangkok international school this week. They were concerned about public safety, and whether he might try to get away.

~ SNIP ~ - more details at link


92 posted on 08/17/2006 8:19:41 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: The Westerner

they cant even refer to Christmas as Christmas. it is sad.

our country is about worthless anymore.


93 posted on 08/17/2006 8:27:54 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative ("The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" Franklin D. Roosevelt.)
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To: txroadkill
All this video needs is to be in black & white and for him to be yelling that he's a patsy.

Except this story already HAS a dead patsy. What it needs is for some sharpshooter to gun him down from a grassy knoll outside the Boulder County courthouse when he does his perp walk. ;-P

94 posted on 08/17/2006 8:32:11 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: JRochelle

Has Karr been paying child support, or did he run out on his own 3 sons?


95 posted on 08/17/2006 9:20:39 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: oceanview; Sacajaweau

I am disturbed by the ex-wife's alibi for Karr. How many young chidren did they have in 1996? It would be unusual for a husband to not be home at Christmas and easily remembered as the year Daddy wasn't home for Christmas for whatever reason.

She would definitely remember a Christmas w/o him and she says he was with them. Why would she lie about it?


96 posted on 08/17/2006 9:27:52 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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To: mystery-ak

Karr looks sick, and maybe he has aids, and wants medical care in a USA prison. That would make sense.


97 posted on 08/17/2006 9:28:57 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: Valpal1

His sons would've been 5, 4, and 3, approximately, in Dec 1996. I tend to believe her, whether their family Christmas was in AL at their home and his grandparents' home or in ATL at his father and brother's homes.


98 posted on 08/17/2006 9:30:36 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66

Every hour that goes by where even the most flimsy connection between this nutcase and Boulder Colorado in Dec. 1996 is not established is another nail in his "confession". He was not a transient or a drifter in 1996 - proof of where he was then is out there, and should be easy to find.


99 posted on 08/17/2006 9:44:57 PM PDT by PC99
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To: Peach
My theory is that he has information and they want to interrogate him. If he knows anything significant he could be an accessory to murder. Who knows.
100 posted on 08/17/2006 9:52:49 PM PDT by tioga
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