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then i came across two articles that first made me shake my head, then got me to thinking about my own experience in the military.

please raise your hand if you were ever in the service. keep it up if you ever participated in solving the unit, command, and world problems, around th butt can or over (many) drinks.

in his infinite wisdom, adm hering has decided that his command needs some alcohol restrictions put on it. no drinking under 21. 3 drink limit. lets see....you can go to war and be shot at when you reach the age of 18, or 17 with your parents permission, but you can't drink on base. am i the only one who sees a problem with that?

then there is smoking. A STUDY HAS BEEN DONE that shows people who enlist and smoke more than 1 pack a day when they enlist, are more apt to not finish their first enlistment thus costing the military money.

flash to the military....expensive toilet seats and screw drivers you can get by without. people you need. how picky can you afford to be?

when i went to LA last year, the conditions were pretty primitive. those of us who smoke, were smoking more, and those who had quit, were picking it back up. now, compared to being shot at, our conditions were great! you want to tell a young soldier or sailor they can't smoke for stress relief?

smoking is bad for you. i just quit again. drinking in excess is bad for you. i don't do it any more. i can not imagine having gone through my military career with out both of those diversions. different people choose different ways to relieve stress.

i also can not imagine what my sea stories would be like if i had to remove from my experiences things like; crossing the quarter deck trying to act sober (and thinking i'd done a good job of it), only to find out that i'd gotten a black eye running into the bulkhead that same night.

i do not think that the military should encourage smoking and drinking. i do not mind if drinking is restricted where there is a proven problem. restricting areas for smoking and non? fine idea. allowing candy ass academy grads to turn the finest military in the world into a PC, dry, and smoke free, organization....sure, and then we can join up with the EU and sing "we are the world...."

1 posted on 08/09/2006 11:07:42 AM PDT by rider237
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You don't advocate your cause terribly well.


2 posted on 08/09/2006 11:09:31 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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Buh bye....


3 posted on 08/09/2006 11:09:52 AM PDT by r9etb
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drinking in excess is bad for you. i don't do it any more.

Could'a fooled me.

4 posted on 08/09/2006 11:10:38 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Crazier than a rattlesnake at a Thai wedding)
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You really might want to spend a little time working on that capitalization if you're really trying to make a point here.


5 posted on 08/09/2006 11:10:54 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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Wow... you have a point. But you need to capitalize. Your not one of those super-egalitarians who are opposed to capital letters on principle are you? =o)

You do have a point.

6 posted on 08/09/2006 11:11:28 AM PDT by GeronL (http://www.mises.org/story/1975 <--no such thing as a fairtax)
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FWIW, I don't know if my old buddy is a FReeper but I remember him telling me he could drink his commanding officers under the table. Sharing hangover-war stories with his superiors made him popular. And popularity sometimes has its advantages in the military.


8 posted on 08/09/2006 11:12:17 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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You wasted your first post on this mumbo jumbo?


10 posted on 08/09/2006 11:13:00 AM PDT by pissant
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"those of us who smoke, were smoking more, and those who had quit, were picking it back up."

Can I get me a thunderous...

BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!


11 posted on 08/09/2006 11:13:20 AM PDT by jdm
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due yew have a broken shift kee? or r u just lazy?


12 posted on 08/09/2006 11:13:23 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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i also can not imagine what my sea stories would be like if i had to remove from my experiences things like; crossing the quarter deck trying to act sober (and thinking i'd done a good job of it), only to find out that i'd gotten a black eye running into the bulkhead that same night.

yep, the military is obviously over-reacting where no problem exsists

you convinced me

14 posted on 08/09/2006 11:13:35 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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Prepare for some friendly fire.

Just keep your head down for a bit and you'll be fine.


15 posted on 08/09/2006 11:14:18 AM PDT by keat (I'm carbon neutral - how 'bout you?)
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Worst title ever.


16 posted on 08/09/2006 11:14:19 AM PDT by dighton
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i think that i sense someone did not do so well in english.

i really do. maybe the candy a$$ed cadets might know how to start a sentence. i don't know. what do i know.
17 posted on 08/09/2006 11:14:38 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (Got towel?)
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Not using a perfectly good shift key makes you look like an IDIOT.

I'm just sayin'.

18 posted on 08/09/2006 11:14:54 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Down with Half-Assery!)
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e. e. cummings wannabe?


22 posted on 08/09/2006 11:15:57 AM PDT by edpc (Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
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23 posted on 08/09/2006 11:16:01 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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allowing candy ass academy grads

Your envy is showing.

25 posted on 08/09/2006 11:16:35 AM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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26 posted on 08/09/2006 11:16:53 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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You know..you might receive a better welcome had you chosen a different title for your vanity post.

I know more than a few soldiers...not a candy donkey in the group. You're obviously unhappy with some leadership decisions- and you may be right- but I find your title OFFENSIVE.


28 posted on 08/09/2006 11:17:13 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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30 posted on 08/09/2006 11:17:24 AM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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