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Darwinian Conservatism: How Darwinian science refutes the Left’s most sacred beliefs.
The American Thinker ^ | 23 July 2006 | Jamie Glazov and Larry Arnhart

Posted on 07/23/2006 8:49:26 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: A0ri

"*Yet they fail to respond.*"

Or when they do they just don't get it. :)


381 posted on 07/23/2006 7:52:01 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: A0ri
Science invokes a natural cause and natural law element to explain evolution and design. How far must one travel back in time to reach the Biblical position of a "beginning".

However old modern physicists say the universe is. I think it's somewhere around 10 billion years or so.

Which beginning is it? Evolution's beginning, or Creation's?

In what context? The ID people barely talk about the beginning at all. Their arguments are almost exclusively about what happened billions of years after the beginning of life. You know, stuff about bacterial flagella, the cambrian explosion, blood clotting cascades, the immune system, etc, etc, etc.

If you state Creation, then you admit intelligent design explaining a nature of the universe.

For the tenth time, YES. I believe the universe was intelligently designed. At the Big Bang, God set the constants of nature such that a free willed intelligent creature that could know him and love him would eventually arrise through natural processes. That is what I believe. I can't prove it scientifically, but I think it is the most philosophically compelling of the possible alternatives.

However, I reject the notion that complex biological structures were designed. And THAT is what ID, as reflected in its leaders arguments, even according to the dictionary you cited, is all about.

382 posted on 07/23/2006 7:52:48 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: shuckmaster

I am inclined to think the posters here lack the intelligence to put two and two together. Statements that "creationists" cannot be intelligent abound.

Humor me if I made an appropriate and justified defense.


383 posted on 07/23/2006 7:53:24 PM PDT by A0ri
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To: A0ri

"I am inclined to think the posters here lack the intelligence to put two and two together. Statements that "creationists" cannot be intelligent abound."

No they don't. Why must you make things up?


384 posted on 07/23/2006 7:54:58 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: A0ri
Statements that "creationists" cannot be intelligent abound.

"Willfully ignorant" seem the more appropriate description to me.

385 posted on 07/23/2006 7:56:35 PM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: freedumb2003; andysandmikesmom; PatrickHenry; Senator Bedfellow; b_sharp
Sorry to toot my own horn, but what do you guys think of my parody of ID in post 345?

I thought it was pretty funny after I wrote it. I've never seen any one else write something similar, but perhaps I've missed it. I'm curious if it's as original as I think it is.

386 posted on 07/23/2006 7:56:54 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
Parody? Man, that is ID :)
387 posted on 07/23/2006 8:01:29 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: curiosity
I thought it was pretty funny after I wrote it

Don't laugh too hard. Some of these wacko's will be cutting and pasting it all over the 'net in a few days as proof of whatever it is they believe they can prove with with made up pseudo science!

388 posted on 07/23/2006 8:02:20 PM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; andysandmikesmom; A0ri
If you have the courage, let's see if your lying trickster God 'opinion' holds up under examination.

I will give you another chance to answer my question.

How old was Adam exactly one half second after he was created?

Even a ballpark guess will do.

389 posted on 07/23/2006 8:03:55 PM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; Old Landmarks; A0ri
" Yes. Anybody who worships a God that will make a 6,000 year old universe look 15 billion years old is worshiping a lying, trickster God.

Also note that if personal insults fail to cause your to lose your cool, a common last resort is blasphemy.

390 posted on 07/23/2006 8:05:32 PM PDT by labette (Why stand ye here all the day idle?)
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To: A0ri

I will answer your question...yes, I personally do believe that God was necessary for the universe to have taken shape...that is my 'belief'...can I prove my 'belief' to be true...of course not, faith does not involve 'proof'...or do you think faith in God, requires some sort of proof?...

I also support evolution....

Many here do not believe in the God of the Bible...

They may support evolution...

Many here do not know whether there is a God of the Bible, or not...

They may also support evolution..

Which proves what exactly?

To say that one believes that God is necessary for the said universe to have taken shape, is a 'belief'...

But those who see Gods necessity, those who dont see Gods necessity, and those who just dont know either way, can all still support evolution...


391 posted on 07/23/2006 8:05:35 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: curiosity
So good, in fact, that I am adding your pithy quote to my Tag List!!

ID: bad science, bad theology and, above all, bad philology.

Good analogy and your quote (and that post) will live forever (as long as I avoid being banned) Check my home page:)

392 posted on 07/23/2006 8:06:15 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: StJacques

Excellent...you have just invented a whole new story, much in the vein of the original 'Darwin recanted' story...your version is much more imaginative and interesting...


393 posted on 07/23/2006 8:07:52 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: labette
Also note that if personal insults fail to cause your to lose your cool, a common last resort is blasphemy.

Where is the insult and you think a god that would put false clues into the ground and made them appear billions of years old is the God of Abraham and the God that created the Universe?

394 posted on 07/23/2006 8:08:17 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: labette
Also note that if personal insults fail to cause your to lose your cool, a common last resort is blasphemy.


Of all the strange "crimes" that human beings have legislated out of nothing, "blasphemy" is the most amazing -- with "obscenity" and "indecent exposure" fighting it out for second and third place.

Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973


395 posted on 07/23/2006 8:09:37 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: freedumb2003

Hey, that's cool! Thanks!


396 posted on 07/23/2006 8:10:45 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Old Landmarks

"If you have the courage, let's see if your lying trickster God 'opinion' holds up under examination."

It's not my opinion, it's the opinion of those who hold that God only made the universe to APPEAR old. That's what I was talking about.

Your question is a diversion from that. And a poor one at that.


397 posted on 07/23/2006 8:11:33 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
And miss all the philosophizing? :)

OK, but I did pretty much mail it (and my post is so far unanswered)

A little fun at the expense of the willfully ignorant is always worthwhile (but if I drop off it is because I am going to allow my body to give in to this "sleep" thing I have read about).

398 posted on 07/23/2006 8:12:09 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: curiosity

I know pith, baby! :)


399 posted on 07/23/2006 8:12:49 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: labette
"Also note that if personal insults fail to cause your to lose your cool, a common last resort is blasphemy."

I didn't lose my cool. Nor did I blaspheme. But you did lose the argument, with your inability to answer my point.
400 posted on 07/23/2006 8:13:09 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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