Posted on 07/23/2006 8:49:26 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
"*Yet they fail to respond.*"
Or when they do they just don't get it. :)
However old modern physicists say the universe is. I think it's somewhere around 10 billion years or so.
Which beginning is it? Evolution's beginning, or Creation's?
In what context? The ID people barely talk about the beginning at all. Their arguments are almost exclusively about what happened billions of years after the beginning of life. You know, stuff about bacterial flagella, the cambrian explosion, blood clotting cascades, the immune system, etc, etc, etc.
If you state Creation, then you admit intelligent design explaining a nature of the universe.
For the tenth time, YES. I believe the universe was intelligently designed. At the Big Bang, God set the constants of nature such that a free willed intelligent creature that could know him and love him would eventually arrise through natural processes. That is what I believe. I can't prove it scientifically, but I think it is the most philosophically compelling of the possible alternatives.
However, I reject the notion that complex biological structures were designed. And THAT is what ID, as reflected in its leaders arguments, even according to the dictionary you cited, is all about.
I am inclined to think the posters here lack the intelligence to put two and two together. Statements that "creationists" cannot be intelligent abound.
Humor me if I made an appropriate and justified defense.
"I am inclined to think the posters here lack the intelligence to put two and two together. Statements that "creationists" cannot be intelligent abound."
No they don't. Why must you make things up?
"Willfully ignorant" seem the more appropriate description to me.
I thought it was pretty funny after I wrote it. I've never seen any one else write something similar, but perhaps I've missed it. I'm curious if it's as original as I think it is.
Don't laugh too hard. Some of these wacko's will be cutting and pasting it all over the 'net in a few days as proof of whatever it is they believe they can prove with with made up pseudo science!
I will give you another chance to answer my question.
How old was Adam exactly one half second after he was created?
Even a ballpark guess will do.
Also note that if personal insults fail to cause your to lose your cool, a common last resort is blasphemy.
I will answer your question...yes, I personally do believe that God was necessary for the universe to have taken shape...that is my 'belief'...can I prove my 'belief' to be true...of course not, faith does not involve 'proof'...or do you think faith in God, requires some sort of proof?...
I also support evolution....
Many here do not believe in the God of the Bible...
They may support evolution...
Many here do not know whether there is a God of the Bible, or not...
They may also support evolution..
Which proves what exactly?
To say that one believes that God is necessary for the said universe to have taken shape, is a 'belief'...
But those who see Gods necessity, those who dont see Gods necessity, and those who just dont know either way, can all still support evolution...
ID: bad science, bad theology and, above all, bad philology.
Good analogy and your quote (and that post) will live forever (as long as I avoid being banned) Check my home page:)
Excellent...you have just invented a whole new story, much in the vein of the original 'Darwin recanted' story...your version is much more imaginative and interesting...
Where is the insult and you think a god that would put false clues into the ground and made them appear billions of years old is the God of Abraham and the God that created the Universe?
Of all the strange "crimes" that human beings have legislated out of nothing, "blasphemy" is the most amazing -- with "obscenity" and "indecent exposure" fighting it out for second and third place.Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973
Hey, that's cool! Thanks!
"If you have the courage, let's see if your lying trickster God 'opinion' holds up under examination."
It's not my opinion, it's the opinion of those who hold that God only made the universe to APPEAR old. That's what I was talking about.
Your question is a diversion from that. And a poor one at that.
OK, but I did pretty much mail it (and my post is so far unanswered)
A little fun at the expense of the willfully ignorant is always worthwhile (but if I drop off it is because I am going to allow my body to give in to this "sleep" thing I have read about).
I know pith, baby! :)
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