Darwinian Conservatism: How Darwinian science refutes the Left’s most sacred beliefs.

The American Thinker ^ | 23 July 2006 | Jamie Glazov and Larry Arnhart

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Those are Carolina Guitarman's defining characteristics."

Hi. What banned retred are you? I don't ever remember talking to you before. :)

[CarolinaGuitarman]

Oh wait. I just looked over your extremely limited posting history and I remember you now.

You're the guy who, when his argument failed, calls people homos.

I still wonder what banned retred you are...

[Fester Chugabrew]

It gets old defining and explaining the obvious to someone who knows better. If an object is intelligible to science then it is organized. If the object is arranged with other objects so as to perform a more complex function it may be demonstrably due to an intelligent agent. Otherwise an intelligent agent (or the effects thereof) may be reasonably inferred. The organization of matter extends to both microscopic and macroscopic entities. If particle matter were to disintegrate into chaos then the argument and evidence for intelligent design would cease. Until then the evidence for intelligent design may be considered ubiquitous to the extent science has an intelligible universe to explore. Get it?

[js1138]

Thomas Aquinas and Augustine are two of my favorites. I wish I had half the brains they had.

Saint Augustine (A.D. 354-430) in his work The Literal Meaning of Genesis (De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim) provided excellent advice for all Christians who are faced with the task of interpreting Scripture in the light of scientific knowledge. This translation is by J. H. Taylor in Ancient Christian Writers, Newman Press, 1982, volume 41.

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience.

Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men.

If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books.

For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. [1 Timothy 1.7]

[PatrickHenry]

For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.

Augustine was obviously wasn't a Real Christian^tm. He was clearly a Marxist, atheist, materialist, Nazi homo.
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[js1138]

My quote is no doubt out of context, and Augustine, in the very next sentence says something like: "Of course this doesn't apply to matters like the age of the earth."

[js1138]

prime

[gunsofaugust]

I don't take a literal view of Genesis and I have yet to see the rule that a Roman Catholic has to take a literal view of Genesis. I think evolution is mechanism of change that God put into the living things he created.

I like your quote from Augustine, I have a few thousand others that are worth repeating.

Aquinas and Augustine are two of my favorites and if they lived today, I assume they would probably agree with the Holy See, who also accepts evidence that things are not static, they evolve. I am on a short lunch break but if if you have some point you were trying to make, I would be glad to discuss it with you when I have time.

Do you like all of what Augustine wrote or just a few things? We can delve deeply into his writings and that of Aquinas and the ante and post nicene fathers if you would like.

[js1138]

I'm not particularly interested in theology or philosophy. My reasons for posting here are rather shallow. I consider the anti-evolutionists on this forum to be driving away bright people who might otherwise be interested in conservative politics.

I have no interest in convincing or converting the anti-evolutionists. I'm merely here to demonstrate that there are conservatives who are not opposed to science.

[gunsofaugust]

I don't ever remember talking to you before.

Sure you don't, sure.

The lying comes real natural for you. Keep it up for all to see.

You made an accusation about O Landmark that everyone knows was a lie and you got nailed on it.

You never answered with your proof of that lie because it was plainly just another one of your lies.

What banned retred are you?

Tsk, Tsk, You might as well keep lying at a record clip, cuz you have no credibility left anyway, nada, zip, zero and everybody knows it!

Thanks you for validating what I said earlier----

Namecalling, juvenile insults, hurling false accusations, obfuscation. Those are Carolina Guitarman's defining characteristics. Glad to see him get caught red handed and exposed.

Now take a hike son.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

Bye Troll! :)

[OriginalIntent]

Ouch, the truth hurts, post 671, total exposure PING.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

Bye Troll! :)

[OriginalIntent]

Since you posted me again, I need to ask, did you ever back up your false claim that old landmarks called you a name.

No?

I guess you were just doing what you do best.

[Michael_Michaelangelo]

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[CarolinaGuitarman]

Bye Troll! :)

[ml1954]

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