Darwinian Conservatism: How Darwinian science refutes the Left’s most sacred beliefs.

The American Thinker ^ | 23 July 2006 | Jamie Glazov and Larry Arnhart

[stands2reason]

I think many don't like the time thing. Miracles should happen instantaneously, not take eons. They don't find creation as "miraculous" if it takes a long time.

As if the idea of time to God meant anything...Time is physical, and God is beyond that.

[VadeRetro]

You say "bears." Someone else would say "time-channeled cephalcis," whatever they are.

[freedumb2003]

I think many don't like the time thing. Miracles should happen instantaneously, not take eons. They don't find creation as "miraculous" if it takes a long time.

Like I said, Gandalf writ large (Chriss Angel writ large?)

Great point. Another example of making God in one's own image.

[Fester Chugabrew]

Appearances are determined the the reason and senses with which you have been endowed. Do you think them to be perfect and incapable of deceit??

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Appearances are determined the the reason and senses with which you have been endowed. Do you think them to be perfect and incapable of deceit??"

You are evading what you said. You said that it was not deceitful for God to create a universe that appeared to be old but wasn't, because God was eternal. Please try to stay focused.

[Old Landmarks]

Hint: Adam never existed.

After being asked the question many times, I am glad to see a little progress, though the question was still not answered.

By the way, you don't have to keep repeating your opinion over again, we can deal with that later.

I am quite aware without your unnecessary repetition that you think someone's God is a liar. (If you continue to repeat your opinion after you already have several times, it begins to look suspicious)

Also you don't have to 'hint', just step right up and say you don't believe God created man in His image and called him Adam.

Since you don't believe God created Adam I will ask the question another way. Although many other people had no problem answering for you I will give you another chance since you are the one who called someone's God a liar.

If the Bible is right and God did create a man who is called Adam, how old was Adam exactly one half second after he was created?

If you will have the courage to answer, we can test your opinion.

[Fester Chugabrew]

A 2006 car's parts might date back to 2004. NOT 11 million BC.

The form of the car's parts may be as early as 2004. The substance involved in those parts - science does not yet know how old it is.

The primary purpose of the fossil record from God's perspective is most likely to impress upon us the fact of mortality. I mean, what is the common denominator for every single fossil? Death. But to ascribe deceit to God because the appearance of things might be different than they are in reality? What kind of game is that when science doesn't have a way of ascertaining for certain how old matter is, let alone what time is?

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"After being asked the question many times, I am glad to see a little progress, though the question was still not answered."

Ask a smart question and it will be answered.

"I am quite aware without your unnecessary repetition that you think someone's God is a liar."

I think someone's interpretation of God is one of a lying, trickster God. Anybody who worships a God that made a universe to look to be 15 billion years old but is really only 6,000 years old is worshipping an evil, lying, trickster God. That's a fact.

"Also you don't have to 'hint', just step right up and say you don't believe God created man in His image and called him Adam."

Hint: I did so, unambiguously.

The rest of your post was not worth reading/responding to. Please try harder next time.

[freedumb2003]

The form of the car's parts may be as early as 2004. The substance involved in those parts - science does not yet know how old it is.

You are grasping at straws.

The primary purpose of the fossil record from God's perspective is most likely to impress upon us the fact of mortality. I mean, what is the common denominator for every single fossil? Death. But to ascribe deceit to God because the appearance of things might be different than they are in reality? What kind of game is that when science doesn't have a way of ascertaining for certain how old matter is, let alone what time is?

Does this mean you ARE a drunk college sophomore? I'd hate to think about what you would do with the Galactic Linguistic Coincidence of the term "jinantonix."

Seriously, to use a psychobabble rant about the "nature of time" on a science thread is pretty weak. If you have a scientific challenge, present it. If you have a philsophical "if Helen Keller falls in the forest, does she make a sound?" type of discussion, take it to... wait, I don't know where on FR we have a spot for that kind of thing.

[freedumb2003]

If the Bible is right and God did create a man who is called Adam, how old was Adam exactly one half second after he was created?

The same age as Martin Milner, just like in the movie.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"If you have a philsophical "if Helen Keller falls in the forest, does she make a sound?" type of discussion, take it to... wait, I don't know where on FR we have a spot for that kind of thing."

There are a few creos/ID'ers here who would be able to take such a thread to about 300-400 posts.

[Fester Chugabrew]

We're dealing with two entities: human reason which is essentially limited, and God, Who is essentially unlimited. In view of this disparity it seems unbecoming for the limited entity to call the unlimited entity a deceiver, or liar, or whatever. The limited senses we have may think of the universe as billions of years old, but due to its limitations may err considerably.

You have a lot of faith in yourself. Good for you. But what is it worth? I've always thought the argument "Why would God deceive" to be weak, just as the argument "Why isn't physical reality 'perfect' if there is an intelligent designer," to be weak. It is fairly clear God is not into playing games. It is also fairly clear the rest of us are.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"You have a lot of faith in yourself. Good for you. But what is it worth?"

A content and happy life?

You said that it was not deceitful for God to create a universe that appeared to be old but wasn't, because God was eternal. Please try to stay focused.

"It is also fairly clear the rest of us are."

Speak for yourself. :)

[Fester Chugabrew]

You are grasping at straws.

If you care to present a scientific argument please do. How old is the matter that comprises your body?

[Fester Chugabrew]

You said that it was not deceitful . . .

Look back at my post, Mr. perfect reason and senses, and you'll see that I asked a question. I did not make a statement. Why don't you answer the question yourself? How is it deceitful for God to create a universe demonstrating age when He is essentially eternal?

[freedumb2003]

If you care to present a scientific argument please do. How old is the matter that comprises your body?

Complete non sequitur (as well as begging the question, argument ad absurdium and probably mopery and dopery on the high seas). Yours is a philosphical question. If you have scientific one, please place it. If not, then please don't pester the adults on this thread.

But I do appreciate you exposing your agenda as one of a besotted child running under the dining room table.

[freedumb2003]

It is pointless.

"What is he meaning of life?" "What does Time Mean?" "How Old is Matter?" "Can God make a rock so big even he can't lift it?" "What happens when the Irresistible Force meets the Unmovable Object?"

Remind you of the sophomore college days when we would all get drunk and talk passionately about totally meaningless crap while thinking we were breaking philosophical ground?

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Look back at my post, Mr. perfect reason and senses, and you'll see that I asked a question. I did not make a statement."

Yes you did, Mr. Postmodern Prevarication.

"How is it deceitful for God to create a universe demonstrating age when He is essentially eternal?"

If the age that is demonstrated is nowhere near the actual age then the God is a lying, deceiving SOB.

That being said, I see no evidence that such an evil God exists.

[stands2reason]

You're the One!!! You Did It!

You stole my time and changed my appearance! You changed my family's genetic codes to make me and my family untelegenic!

I WAS a tall Swedish blonde bikini model. Now I'm short and dumpy with glasses and adult acne!!!!!

[PatrickHenry]

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