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Durham Police Begin Probe Of Alleged Assault At Raleigh Bar (Investigators under investigation)
WRAL.com ^ | July 22, 2006 | WRAL .com

Posted on 07/22/2006 4:18:08 PM PDT by TommyDale

DURHAM, N.C. -- Officials say they are investigating an alleged assault involving Durham police officers outside a Raleigh bar.

(Excerpt) Read more at wral.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: chalmers; coffee; comegetsome; corruption; couch; crime; cupofjoe; donutwatch; duke; dukelax; durhampolice; gottlieb; hatecrime; jakki; lacrosse; myspace; nifong
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To: Ken H

What kind of copyright issues? I'm familiar with the poster originator/s, and they want the poster to be shared as widely as legally possible.


741 posted on 07/24/2006 10:12:29 PM PDT by GAgal
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To: GAgal

Then I say... release the hounds!


742 posted on 07/24/2006 10:20:34 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

I would think so. I certainly don't see any issues.


743 posted on 07/24/2006 10:31:36 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)
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To: All; Ken H; SarahUSC; ladyjane; Protect the Bill of Rights; TommyDale; JLS; maggief; abb; GAgal; ...

LOOKING AHEAD, Gottlieb has been VERY involved in this case and, at times, has been called the lead investigator. Himan is as green as they come and he has very limited experience. In fact, Gottlieb's experience was supposed to offset Himan's short record. Here's what the N&O said some time ago about Himan before pointing to all the experience Gottlieb has:

"Himan, who joined the force in 2002, has arrested suspected vandals, shoplifters and drunken drivers during his work patrolling the streets."

Vandals and shoplifters? He JUST became a detective two months before the Duke Party ! It's obvious that Gottlieb had to do a lot of the heavy lifting because Himan has a paltry 2 months experience as a detective. The N&O called Himan a Novice.
In fact, the case Himan worked on before the Duke case was an investigation of missing WeedWackers in Durham - I kid you not!

Not only did Gottlieb Run the Lineup that was used to secure indictments, but Gottlieb is the one that had possession of the DNA evidence - all of it! The Chain of Custody with DNA evidence is something that is attested to in court:
"Durham Police Department Sgt. M.D. Gottlieb delivered DNA samples taken from 46 members of the Duke men's lacrosse team to the State Bureau of Investigation Monday afternoon, District Attorney Mike Nifong said."
http://www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2006/03/28/News/Unrest.Hits.Main.West-1751307.shtml?norewrite200607250140&sourcedomain=www.dukechronicle.com

Here are some quotes on Gottlieb regarding the Duke investigation prior to his Dukes of Hazard bad-guy audition in Raleigh:

"Sgt. Mark Gottlieb, the SUPERVISOR OF THE INVESTIGATION, refused to answer questions Wednesday night."
http://www.newsobserver.com/215/story/438305.html

"Clayton, who is working under Gottlieb on the case, picked up Elmostafa on Wednesday afternoon."
http://www.newsobserver.com/215/story/438305.html

"Police did go to the local NBC station and ask for copies of the photographs. Nannette Wilson, vice president for news at WNCN-TV, confirms that Gottlieb called one of the station's reporters on April 20, the day after the photos aired on their newscast and copies were posted on the Web. He asked whether they had unaltered versions that had not been cropped and without the faces of the accuser and partygoers blurred. She told them that they did not. The
photos came electronically and already altered from the network.

Dan Abrams, who hosts an MSNBC legal affairs program, made an on-air invitation to Gottlieb to come on the show."
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/434410.html

"Sgt. Mark Gottlieb: Gottlieb, who has been with the Durham Police Department since 1992, is the IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR in the investigation. He previously supervised a squad of a dozen officers on patrol in neighborhoods north of downtown and has worked as a domestic violence investigator."
http://www.newsobserver.com/215/story/430110.html

"Gottlieb, the SUPERVISOR in the investigation, said Thursday that he was not in a position to speak about the case. He stood inside the Durham police crime lab about 4 p.m. as carloads of young men rolled to 213 Broadway St. in downtown Durham."
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/421494.html

"Gottlieb described the party as a mix of college students and nonstudents. In total, there were about 30 people there at the time, he said.

"It was an act where alcohol was involved," Gottlieb said."
http://www.newsobserver.com/215/story/419794.html

Gottlieb also questioned the lacrosse players - including David Evans.





744 posted on 07/24/2006 10:43:31 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)
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To: Mike Nifong
Outstanding summary of Herr Gottleib's involvement.

It's been over 4 days since the alleged assault took place at the Raleigh bar, and there is still no report from Raleigh PD. AFAIK, they have not even commented on it when asked by reporters.

If it were favorable to the Durham officers, I would think we would have heard something by now.

745 posted on 07/24/2006 11:28:17 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

The Wanted Poster with Gottlieb et al is on the abc11 forum now:

http://forums.go.com/abclocal/WTVD/thread?threadID=124735

Poster: http://ww1.pureupload.com/public/pview/16050/Web%20Wanted%20Poster%20low%20version.jpg


746 posted on 07/24/2006 11:43:56 PM PDT by GAgal
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To: Mike Nifong; abb; All

Where is Police Chief "Shipshape" Chalmers?


http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-755378.html

Incident brings on talks with policemen


By Ray Gronberg : The Herald-Sun

Jul 24, 2006 : 9:48 pm ET



http://www.wral.com/news/9563976/detail.html


Raleigh Police Interview Durham Officers In Assault Investigation

POSTED: 10:06 am EDT July 24, 2006
UPDATED: 6:19 pm EDT July 24, 2006

EXCERPT


When asked specifically about Investigator Benjamin Himan, the lead investigator in the lacrosse case, police spokeswoman Kammie Michael said he remains on regular duty.


747 posted on 07/24/2006 11:49:36 PM PDT by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: All; maggief

I read something totally unbelievable to me in one of those articles on the Durham Officers at that Bar in Raleigh.

One article said that there was ANOTHER group of Durham Police officers at the Bar that did NOT know this other group was there. Now, this bar is NOT that large, it's really hard to believe guys out drinking, and everything that goes with that - didn't see or hear the other guys that were at that bar.

I think this is a way to insulate some of the guys from the charges. When I read that, I thought right away, was Himan there that night? Or someone else we'd know in the DPD or DA's office?


748 posted on 07/24/2006 11:59:33 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)
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To: Mike Nifong
This is TOTALLY UNBELIEVABLE

"Investigators know that there were other Durham officers in the bar "who were not involved in this incident and didn't know there were other officers present," Hodge said."

This place is not in Durham, it's in Raleigh - and it's not that Big.

Something's up here

749 posted on 07/25/2006 12:04:16 AM PDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)
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To: Mike Nifong

"Investigators know that there were other Durham officers in the bar "who were not involved in this incident and didn't know there were other officers present," Hodge said."


Sounds like a load of B.S. to me. Who else was there? Hinman? Chalmers?


We want names of every Durham Police Officer who were PARTYING at Blinco's!


750 posted on 07/25/2006 12:17:05 AM PDT by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: Mike Nifong
Officers can be fired if they refuse to answer a question from the Internal Affairs Unit, Hodge said.

That rule difference means that information gathered by internal affairs can't be used in Raleigh's criminal probe, Hodge said. However, internal affairs can use anything Raleigh detectives turn up.

I bet it could if it were subpoenaed. NC law trumps Durham PD internal policies.

751 posted on 07/25/2006 12:41:23 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: maggief; Mike Nifong
Investigators know that there were other Durham officers in the bar "who were not involved in this incident and didn't know there were other officers present, Hodge said.

Simply not credible. Imagine hanging out at a sports bar with a few friends from work. If there were another few friends from work hanging out at the same bar, how likely is it you would not know it over the course of the evening?

I wonder if Hodge is making that claim based on statements by officers who "were not involved in this incident and didn't know there were other officers present".

752 posted on 07/25/2006 1:59:15 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: maggief
From The Johnsville News:

Durham Cops questioned about Raleigh Assault

First, pick out your favorite pair of kick ass buddy cops:


Starsky and Hutch
Crockett and Tubbs
Gottlieb and Clayton
Freebie and Bean

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753 posted on 07/25/2006 2:27:42 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

This morning's stories...

Incident brings on talks with policemen
http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-755378.html

Is anyone surprised by Cheek's indecisiveness?
http://www.heraldsun.com/opinion/hsletters/index.html#755262

Police conduct adds new turmoil to lacrosse case
http://www.newsobserver.com/100/story/464085.html

Duke lacrosse and beyond
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/editor/index.php?title=duke_lacrosse_and_beyond&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#comments


754 posted on 07/25/2006 2:46:54 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Are you talking about Friends of Duke or what? What Duke blog?


755 posted on 07/25/2006 3:53:40 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: SarahUSC

I tink she's working. There's nothing on that site to suggest she isn't. She just relocated temporarily.


756 posted on 07/25/2006 3:55:23 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: abb

Seriously, Durham Freepers should print those and plaster them everywhere around town. Except the poster needs a pic of Clayton on it. Also, a new website with C.Destine's stuff should be established and printed under his photo.


757 posted on 07/25/2006 4:07:59 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle

That's already been done...
http://funkb.us/dada/


758 posted on 07/25/2006 4:13:51 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: SarahUSC

I would be happy to if I could figure out where one goes on that site to do that.


759 posted on 07/25/2006 4:14:23 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle

This is the active blog as of now...
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/editor/index.php?title=duke_lacrosse_and_beyond&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#comments


760 posted on 07/25/2006 4:20:04 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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