Posted on 07/22/2006 4:18:08 PM PDT by TommyDale
DURHAM, N.C. -- Officials say they are investigating an alleged assault involving Durham police officers outside a Raleigh bar.
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What kind of copyright issues? I'm familiar with the poster originator/s, and they want the poster to be shared as widely as legally possible.
Then I say... release the hounds!
I would think so. I certainly don't see any issues.
LOOKING AHEAD, Gottlieb has been VERY involved in this case and, at times, has been called the lead investigator. Himan is as green as they come and he has very limited experience. In fact, Gottlieb's experience was supposed to offset Himan's short record. Here's what the N&O said some time ago about Himan before pointing to all the experience Gottlieb has:
"Himan, who joined the force in 2002, has arrested suspected vandals, shoplifters and drunken drivers during his work patrolling the streets."
Vandals and shoplifters? He JUST became a detective two months before the Duke Party ! It's obvious that Gottlieb had to do a lot of the heavy lifting because Himan has a paltry 2 months experience as a detective. The N&O called Himan a Novice.
In fact, the case Himan worked on before the Duke case was an investigation of missing WeedWackers in Durham - I kid you not!
Not only did Gottlieb Run the Lineup that was used to secure indictments, but Gottlieb is the one that had possession of the DNA evidence - all of it! The Chain of Custody with DNA evidence is something that is attested to in court:
"Durham Police Department Sgt. M.D. Gottlieb delivered DNA samples taken from 46 members of the Duke men's lacrosse team to the State Bureau of Investigation Monday afternoon, District Attorney Mike Nifong said."
http://www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2006/03/28/News/Unrest.Hits.Main.West-1751307.shtml?norewrite200607250140&sourcedomain=www.dukechronicle.com
Here are some quotes on Gottlieb regarding the Duke investigation prior to his Dukes of Hazard bad-guy audition in Raleigh:
"Sgt. Mark Gottlieb, the SUPERVISOR OF THE INVESTIGATION, refused to answer questions Wednesday night."
http://www.newsobserver.com/215/story/438305.html
"Clayton, who is working under Gottlieb on the case, picked up Elmostafa on Wednesday afternoon."
http://www.newsobserver.com/215/story/438305.html
"Police did go to the local NBC station and ask for copies of the photographs. Nannette Wilson, vice president for news at WNCN-TV, confirms that Gottlieb called one of the station's reporters on April 20, the day after the photos aired on their newscast and copies were posted on the Web. He asked whether they had unaltered versions that had not been cropped and without the faces of the accuser and partygoers blurred. She told them that they did not. The
photos came electronically and already altered from the network.
Dan Abrams, who hosts an MSNBC legal affairs program, made an on-air invitation to Gottlieb to come on the show."
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/434410.html
"Sgt. Mark Gottlieb: Gottlieb, who has been with the Durham Police Department since 1992, is the IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR in the investigation. He previously supervised a squad of a dozen officers on patrol in neighborhoods north of downtown and has worked as a domestic violence investigator."
http://www.newsobserver.com/215/story/430110.html
"Gottlieb, the SUPERVISOR in the investigation, said Thursday that he was not in a position to speak about the case. He stood inside the Durham police crime lab about 4 p.m. as carloads of young men rolled to 213 Broadway St. in downtown Durham."
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/421494.html
"Gottlieb described the party as a mix of college students and nonstudents. In total, there were about 30 people there at the time, he said.
"It was an act where alcohol was involved," Gottlieb said."
http://www.newsobserver.com/215/story/419794.html
Gottlieb also questioned the lacrosse players - including David Evans.
It's been over 4 days since the alleged assault took place at the Raleigh bar, and there is still no report from Raleigh PD. AFAIK, they have not even commented on it when asked by reporters.
If it were favorable to the Durham officers, I would think we would have heard something by now.
The Wanted Poster with Gottlieb et al is on the abc11 forum now:
http://forums.go.com/abclocal/WTVD/thread?threadID=124735
Poster: http://ww1.pureupload.com/public/pview/16050/Web%20Wanted%20Poster%20low%20version.jpg
Where is Police Chief "Shipshape" Chalmers?
http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-755378.html
Incident brings on talks with policemen
By Ray Gronberg : The Herald-Sun
Jul 24, 2006 : 9:48 pm ET
http://www.wral.com/news/9563976/detail.html
Raleigh Police Interview Durham Officers In Assault Investigation
POSTED: 10:06 am EDT July 24, 2006
UPDATED: 6:19 pm EDT July 24, 2006
EXCERPT
When asked specifically about Investigator Benjamin Himan, the lead investigator in the lacrosse case, police spokeswoman Kammie Michael said he remains on regular duty.
I read something totally unbelievable to me in one of those articles on the Durham Officers at that Bar in Raleigh.
One article said that there was ANOTHER group of Durham Police officers at the Bar that did NOT know this other group was there. Now, this bar is NOT that large, it's really hard to believe guys out drinking, and everything that goes with that - didn't see or hear the other guys that were at that bar.
I think this is a way to insulate some of the guys from the charges. When I read that, I thought right away, was Himan there that night? Or someone else we'd know in the DPD or DA's office?
"Investigators know that there were other Durham officers in the bar "who were not involved in this incident and didn't know there were other officers present," Hodge said."
This place is not in Durham, it's in Raleigh - and it's not that Big.
Something's up here
"Investigators know that there were other Durham officers in the bar "who were not involved in this incident and didn't know there were other officers present," Hodge said."
Sounds like a load of B.S. to me. Who else was there? Hinman? Chalmers?
We want names of every Durham Police Officer who were PARTYING at Blinco's!
That rule difference means that information gathered by internal affairs can't be used in Raleigh's criminal probe, Hodge said. However, internal affairs can use anything Raleigh detectives turn up.
I bet it could if it were subpoenaed. NC law trumps Durham PD internal policies.
Simply not credible. Imagine hanging out at a sports bar with a few friends from work. If there were another few friends from work hanging out at the same bar, how likely is it you would not know it over the course of the evening?
I wonder if Hodge is making that claim based on statements by officers who "were not involved in this incident and didn't know there were other officers present".
Durham Cops questioned about Raleigh Assault
First, pick out your favorite pair of kick ass buddy cops:
Starsky and Hutch
Crockett and Tubbs
Gottlieb and Clayton
Freebie and Bean
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http://www.newsobserver.com/100/story/464085.html
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http://blogs.newsobserver.com/editor/index.php?title=duke_lacrosse_and_beyond&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#comments
Are you talking about Friends of Duke or what? What Duke blog?
I tink she's working. There's nothing on that site to suggest she isn't. She just relocated temporarily.
Seriously, Durham Freepers should print those and plaster them everywhere around town. Except the poster needs a pic of Clayton on it. Also, a new website with C.Destine's stuff should be established and printed under his photo.
That's already been done...
http://funkb.us/dada/
I would be happy to if I could figure out where one goes on that site to do that.
This is the active blog as of now...
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/editor/index.php?title=duke_lacrosse_and_beyond&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#comments
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