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Banned sign riles heritage group
The State ^ | Jul. 16, 2006 | SAMMY FRETWELL

Posted on 07/18/2006 12:49:14 PM PDT by aomagrat

A Confederate heritage group says its free-speech rights were violated when a landowner removed a billboard promoting Southern history near the famed Darlington Raceway.

The Sons of Confederate Veterans plans to demonstrate at the State House next month and buy radio advertisements to complain about losing its billboard on U.S. 52, about two miles from the racetrack.

“This is the most chilling thing I’ve seen against freedom of speech,” spokesman Don Gordon said.

The Sons of Confederate Veterans bought the billboard this spring in response to remarks by a NASCAR executive about the rebel flag.

The billboard featured a Confederate flag and a checkered race flag. The message said, “Victory is Great, but Honor is Greater. Defend your Southern heritage.”

The billboard, taken down briefly in May, also listed the group’s phone number and name.

Officials of the S.C. Central Railroad, which owns the land where the billboard stood, said the message was “controversial” and needed to come down.

“It is not in our commercial interests to have billboards on our property displaying messages that might be controversial in the local community, whatever the substance of the messages,” a company spokeswoman said in a prepared statement.

“We made no judgment as to the content of the billboard, but we did understand it to be controversial and therefore asked that it be removed.”

An outdoor advertising company, hired by the Sons of Confederate Veterans, installed the sign just before Darlington’s annual Mother’s Day race. It was removed permanently June 16, according to a July 11 letter from the S.C. Sons of Confederate Veterans commander, Randall Burbage, to fellow members.

The Sons of Confederate Veterans says it is an international, nonprofit historical society. The group, which says it has 30,000 members nationally, has taken positions in defense of the Confederate flag in South Carolina.

‘NOT ... ANYTHING FAVORABLE’

In October, NASCAR’s chief executive, Brian France, told the CBS television show “60 Minutes” the Confederate flag was “not a flag that I look at with anything favorable. That’s for sure.”

As it branches away from its traditional Southern fan base, NASCAR has tried to shed its rebel-flag-waving image. The nation’s largest stock car racing organization has started diversity programs and tried to appeal to black and Hispanic fans. The Darlington Raceway, in business for more than 50 years, has served as a pillar of NASCAR.

“A member of the France family said some uncomplimentary things, so we put that billboard up to make a statement and to stimulate new members,” the confederate veterans’ Gordon said. “We really didn’t expect anything like this to occur.”

Attempts to reach NASCAR spokesman Jim Hunter were unsuccessful. However, Hunter said last spring that NASCAR did not seek to have the sign removed.

“If we find out NASCAR is involved, you can expect airplanes towing Confederate banners over every NASCAR race anywhere in this nation — forever,” Gordon said.

Mac Josey, vice president at the Darlington Raceway, said he knew nothing about the billboard and did not ask that it be removed. He said the track does not fly Confederate flags, although some fans do.

Wesley Blackwell, chairman of the Darlington County Council, said he heard about the billboard during a social gathering at the Darlington speedway in May. Blackwell said the county did not ask that the sign be removed.

‘NOT A WORD WOULD BE SAID’

The Confederate veterans group paid Palmetto Outdoor Media more than $5,000 to put up the advertisement, Gordon said. Most of the money was refunded when the sign was removed.

However, Gordon is not satisfied.

“What if it was a sign trying to bring new members to the NAACP? We all know not a word would be said,” Gordon said.

Palmetto Outdoor Media co-owner Rodney Monroe said his company’s land-lease agreement with S.C. Central Railroad has a section that called for the removal of offensive advertisements.

“We lease the property from the company and we, obviously, crossed the line as far as what was acceptable to them ... and were asked to remove the sign,” Monroe said. “We are not in the business to cause or create controversy.”

Gordon said his group had a contract with Palmetto Outdoor for the sign to stay up through part of next year.

The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees every American the right to free speech. However, the sign was on private property, and the property’s owner ordered it down.

Bill Rogers, director of the S.C. Press Association, said that removal violated the principle of free speech, if nothing else. The sign did not appear to be inflammatory, he said.

“I can see why they would feel their rights are violated, that if someone doesn’t like the message, they take it down,” Rogers said.


TOPICS: History
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To: Tokra
persons, who are conversant with the WBTS period, KNOW that "DAMNyankees" is very descriptive of the south-HATING, arrogant, ignorant, lunatic fringe of the otherwise decent northern people.

NOT more than 10-15% of northers are DYs, but that minority is REALLY filled with HATE, is terminally MEAN-spirited & LOUD-mouthed.

it is my belief that if the DYs were not so busy HATING the southland, our flags & symbols, our culture & our southern PEOPLE, that they would be some other sort of BIGOT. (be not deceived, DYs ARE bigots, who are NO BETTER than RACISTS/anti-Semites & other similar HATERS.)

free dixie,sw

161 posted on 07/21/2006 9:26:06 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: ZULU
EXACTLY SO!

free dixie,sw

162 posted on 07/21/2006 9:26:47 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: usmcobra

Let me give YOU a question:

Show me where slavery was PROHIBITED in the Constitution.
If you can't........


163 posted on 07/21/2006 9:31:26 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 ("Git a ROPE!")
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To: orionblamblam
do you REALLY believe that REVISIONIST/MEAN-spirited NONSENSE???

lol AT you & all the other members of the "DY coven of revisionist,HATE-filled, lunatics".

164 posted on 07/21/2006 9:31:55 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I believe that if the men and materials had been equal, the South would have won, hands down. Southern Generals were the best as a whole. Even West Point doesn't dispute that fact.


165 posted on 07/21/2006 9:34:22 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 ("Git a ROPE!")
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To: Colt .45
NOPE. wrong answer. "usmcobra", also known as "Mr. 0000", is a SCALAWAG, who is a turncoat to his own state AND to his native southland.

he has totally gone over to the south-HATING, DAMNyankee side. (GOOD RIDDENCE, i say.)

just thought you's want to know.

free dixie,sw

166 posted on 07/21/2006 9:36:09 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
and as usual, your post #150 illustrates, for all to see, just how out of touch with TRUTH & perhaps REALITY you are.

PITY that you don't know that.

free dixie,sw

167 posted on 07/21/2006 9:39:24 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: orionblamblam
Wow. You think that's actually a logical arguement?
Ooookaaaayyy...


You made the broad based statement that the Civil War (or more correctly the War for Southern Independence) was all about slavery. You made the statement on this thread in post #133.

The War Of Southern Aggression, on the other hand, *was* all about slavery.

This was your sentence. I pointed out that Maryland was a slave holding state until November 1864. The Emancipation Proclamation was signed in 1863. If the war was about slavery, then why on earth would the Union have tolerated a slave holding state for so long? If the war was started over slavery as opposed to the right to secede, then why wasn't the Emancipation signed right away. If I recall correctly, 200 members of the Michigan militia swore that they would not fight to free the slaves before the Emancipation was signed. Obviously if the War for Southern Independence was started up over slavery, the word did not reach those men from Michigan.

If the War for Southern Independence was started up over slavery, then why did Abe Lincoln say that if he could preserve the Union by not freeing the slaves he would do it. If he could preserve the Union by freeing all of the slaves, he would do it. And if he could preserve the Union by freeing some of the slaves and not the others, he would do it.

You further said in your post:
So one of the non-seceding states was a slave state. But *all* of the states that seceded were slave owning. In their various ordinances of secession and state Constitutions, they point out that the source of their problems was the issue of slavery.

REALLY? Care to provide us with some quotes that specifically claim that the problem was primarily with slavery?
168 posted on 07/22/2006 2:31:59 AM PDT by dbehsman (One Wellstone memorial (rave party) is enough, thank you!)
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To: Tokra
fwiw, it is NOT "name-calling" to describe the characteristics & behavior of a bunch of REVISIONIST, sanctimonious, IGNORANT, LOUDmouthed,lunatics, who HATE the south & her wonderful people, as "DAMNyankees".

if i described a piece of furniture, which has a back, a seat, 4 legs and upon which a person can sit,as a CHAIR, you wouldn't think i was calling that piece of furniture "names".

free dixie,sw.

169 posted on 07/22/2006 8:39:05 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: AppyPappy
NOPE. it's called DOUBLE-speak.

all to TYPICAL of a bunch of cowardly bureaucrats, too!

free dixie,sw

170 posted on 07/22/2006 8:40:22 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: DesScorp
NASCAR is the NEW "dixie chicks" (has anybody, who is a TRUE southerner, gone to see them lately???? their last tours dates in the southland were "LOSERS", as the "chicks" ARE!).

NASCAR's "sniveling cowards" will LEARN it's NOT smart to offend their base of customers for the sake of political correctness.

free dixie,sw

171 posted on 07/22/2006 8:47:12 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
IF anything you posted wasn't SILLY & FALSE, smart FReepers wouldn't "laugh behind their hands" AT you & your SILLY nonsense.

free dixie,sw

172 posted on 07/22/2006 8:49:25 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: rustbucket
I'm not aware of any such group using the Stars and Bars, a flag that most folks wouldn't recognize anyway. See: Stars and Bars

I've been wanting to get one to fly at home.

173 posted on 07/22/2006 9:03:45 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (That's one small step...)
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To: dbehsman

> Care to provide us with some quotes that specifically claim that the problem was primarily with slavery?

Tell me: have you read the ordinances of secession?


174 posted on 07/22/2006 9:06:18 AM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: TexConfederate1861
I believe that if the men and materials had been equal, the South would have won, hands down.

I agree with you. All the CSA had to do was to absorb the blows and survive. The Union had the harder to task-to suppress a widespread rebellion over a huge area. It was a tremendous accomplishment for the US aided by a widespread failure of Confederate will when the going got tough in 1864-65.

Southern Generals were the best as a whole. Even West Point doesn't dispute that fact.

I think Lee and Jackson were the best of the best. But even those guys had their lapses. After that the Union produced men who did what had to be done to win like Grant, Sherman , Sheridan and Thomas. While the CSA had men who did whatever it took to bring about disaster such as Hood and Bragg. On general, I'd say the generalship on both sides were pretty close just as the rank and file on both sides were comparable man-to-man.

175 posted on 07/22/2006 11:17:33 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: stand watie
What was false about what I said on this thread? I didn't say that Confederate soldiers were incompetent scum of the earth. I just said that on average they were no better than the Union soldier. If they were the 10 foot tall supermen that some reb fans say they were they wouldn't have lost the war so completely.

The reb soldier was good, but no better than his Union counterpart. Both sides produced men of remarkable fortitude.

176 posted on 07/22/2006 11:21:46 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: BaBaStooey
"Memo to Johnny Reb. The Civil War is over. Stop fighting it.

Today's self-inflicted rebel rabble rouser's have nothing better to do then solely instigate unwarranted trouble.

177 posted on 07/22/2006 2:25:32 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: RebelBanker
"The damnyankees have already infested the thread..."

You mean anyone not slithering in that tiny, fanatical neo-confederate minority of cry babies for the lost cause.

178 posted on 07/22/2006 2:29:19 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
the "billy yanks" were BRAVE (on the whole) & fiercely committed to their cause/fellow compatriots, BUT they fought for a POOR cause.

my ancestors lost their bid to be FREE, as there was simply not enough THINGS & people to win the war. in the end, VALOR, dedication & TENACITY was simply NOT enough.

free dixie,sw

179 posted on 07/22/2006 8:16:05 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: M. Espinola
once more, using that "term of abuse" of "neo-confederate" marks the USER as a FOOL & a BIGOT. everyone here knew that about YOU.

free dixie,sw

180 posted on 07/22/2006 8:19:03 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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