Willamette Valley Warning

By Lloyd Day. I had a dream recently, I heard a knock on my door and when I went to answer it, there were two men standing there. I had never seen them before. There was something different about them, though I couldn't put my finger on what it was. One interesting thing, however, is that whenever anyone comes up on our porch and knocks, our dog starts barking very loudly, but this time she didn't.

They told me that I had to gather my emergency things and get out of town as soon as possible. I stood there stunned for a moment. They said that God was going to bring judgment on this area. My mind shifted to the two angelic beings that warned Lot to get out of Sodom. I asked them if we had time to warn our family and friends, and they said to go ahead.

I had my wife start calling while I went out and started packing emergency things into my pickup. These two men came out and started helping me, they were very fast and efficient packers. Some of the things I was packing they grabbed and threw to one side. I could tell by the urgency in their actions that this was no time to argue with them.

As we concluded the packing of the pickup, one of the men left and came back leading my wife and dog and they both literally pushed us into the pickup. We had previously arranged with our family and members of our congregation for a meeting place in case there was ever an emergency and we had to evacuate. These men told us to head out for our pre-arranged meeting place and to not stop for anything. I always keep my gas tanks as close to full as possible so we didn't have any excuse for stopping.

It took us about and hour and fifteen minutes to get to the meeting place. We weren't sure of what to do next so we started setting up camp. After about twenty minutes, someone from our congregation came in and joined us. Over the next two hours, more people in our congregation and family members arrived. After a little while, we felt a small trembling in the ground. We all looked at each other, and we turned on a small radio to see if we could find out anything.

We heard a report that a major earthquake had hit Portland with major damage. The report also said that Bonneville Dam had collapsed because of the quake and that a wall of water was rushing down the Columbia toward Portland.

My point of view now shifted to where I was above all of this watching it all take place.

There was a big Gay Pride Parade going on in downtown Portland when the earthquake hit and buildings came tumbling down on all of those there. Portland was in total devastation. I'm not sure just how big the earthquake was but the number of 9.2 seems significant.

There was also a major earthquake off the west coast that started a tsunami. Not long after the quake in Portland, a wall of water from the collapse of the Bonneville Dam came rushing through Portland. A little while later another wall of water from the tsunami came up the Columbia River and it also came rushing through Portland.

Salem was also totally leveled by the earthquake. The loss of life in the whole Willamette Valley was enormous. As I looked around Salem, I saw a group of men, I think there were about twenty of them. They all had large automatic weapons, and I had the feeling that they were some kind of terrorists or outlaws. There were a few survivors wandering around, dazed from their injuries from the earthquake. Whenever this group of men came upon anyone wandering around, they would kill them; they seemed to be looking for anyone they could kill. There was no one to come against them.

Finally, after a long while, some National Guard troops came on the scene, but this gang had killed a lot of people. When they saw the troops, they just faded into the rubble and escaped.

Later, as I thought through this, I tried to identify something that would give an idea of the date it was going to take place, and the only thing I could identify was there was a large gay pride parade in downtown Portland when the earthquake hit. So I set about to try and find out when the next big gay pride parade was scheduled in Portland. The answer to that came back as June 18th, which is Father's Day.

We set about to plan a congregation picnic that day at a campground about 60 miles East of Salem. Prior to my dream, we had already had a planning meeting about the place out there, we learned that the place we planned to meet was now blocked off so we selected another site nearby. We wanted to stay in that area because the two men that came to my house in the dream said that we were to go to the area we had already arranged for.

As the days ticked off, we went about our normal activities and did some planning for the big June 18th day. One day someone called who heard about my dream and said that it would not be a good place and we should select somewhere else. As I carefully thought about this, I realized that God had already given us His stamp of approval through the two men who came to my door as they had told us to flee to our predetermined location.

Just a few days ago, someone said they had done some checking on the gay pride activities and that there were major activities as well as parades scheduled for both the 17th (Saturday) and the 18th (Sunday). They suggested that we increase our campground reservations from one day to two, which would not be that easy to accomplish.

I began asking my Heavenly Father what to do. This now sets the stage for my latest dream.

One thing I've learned about a dream from God, you are so actively involved in the dream that there is no way to forget it when it is over.

In this dream, there was a very strange shape being assembled. It was like a cylinder that had a very irregular shape. There were a lot of pieces on the table next to it. They reminded me of jigsaw puzzle pieces and yet they were nothing like puzzle pieces. There were no tabs or offsetting cutouts. There were no patterns or changing colors so that you could match them up with where they went. There was no way to identify any markings so that you could figure out where they went. You just had to take each piece and try it and keep trying it until you found a place it would fit.

I was getting very frustrated because of the difficulty of this. Finally, in complete desperation, I cried out, "Father, what am I suppose to be doing?" No answer. Then again, "Father, what am I doing here?" After several attempts with no answer, I heard a voice say, "Shmoneh Esrei."

"Shmoneh Esrei!!!!" What am I suppose to do with that? I knew that the Shmoneh Esrei was a list of prayers that have been a part of the Jewish Synagogue service for the past 1800 years. But what am I suppose to do with it. How does it fit in with what I am involved in with assembling this cylinder?

Have you ever been involved in a research project of some kind where the material was very difficult to understand. At some point in your studies you all of a sudden "get it." You start rejoicing and dancing around. This is kind of what happened next for me. I suddenly realized that "Shmoneh Esrei" is also the Hebrew word for the number eighteen. I had been asking the Father to show me the date for this Father's Day outing. I needed to know whether it was just the 18th or both the 17th and the 18th. He just showed me that it was the 18th only.

I entered into rejoicing and praising His Holy Name when all of a sudden my bubble popped. Why did He do that? I was already on a course of obedience for the 18th. If He had done nothing, I would have continued on my course of preparing for the 18th. He must have had some specific reason for showing me. I prayed on this for some time and then it came to me. When God repeats something it is because it is determined by Him. He wanted me to tell people about this.

I was trying to maintain a low-key profile on this. I said that I wasn't a prophet and I didn't want to give the impression that I was trying to set myself up as one. Now, all of a sudden, I realize He wants me to warn the people of the Willamette Valley with what He has shown me. My first response was, "You've got to be kidding!"

"Son of man, I have appointed you a watchman to the house of Israel; whenever you hear a word from My mouth, warn them from Me. 18 "When I say to the wicked, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. 19 "Yet if you have warned the wicked and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered yourself. 20 "Again, when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I place an obstacle before him, he will die; since you have not warned him, he shall die in his sin, and his righteous deeds which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand. 21 "However, if you have warned the righteous man that the righteous should not sin and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; and you have delivered yourself."

Talk about being in the hot seat; I am literally trembling in my shoes. If I speak up and nothing happens then I emerge as a false prophet. If I don't speak up and something does happen, then the curse I just quoted in Ezekiel falls on me. I guess I'll just trust in my Heavenly Father and freely share with you what He has shown me.

Now, lest I be accused of taking passages out of context, let's take a careful look at the passages in Ezekiel and ask the question, "What are these people being warned of?" Are they being warned to flee from the coming judgment?

No. They are being warned to flee from their wicked ways or they will not escape the coming judgment. Therefore, we are to warn the people of the Willamette Valley to flee from their wicked ways or they will be caught up in the judgment of June 18th.

Why has little tiny Beth Tefilah been called out to proclaim this message? Because Beth Tefilah is one of just a few congregations that openly proclaims the total Word of God. We openly proclaim that the Torah is very much relevant for today in terms what is righteous living.

Many churches proclaim that the Law (Torah) has been done away with. Beth Tefilah (as well as other Messianic congregations) proclaims that only the penalty of the Torah has been done away with while the Torah itself as a true guide for daily righteous living is still very much alive and well. If you are not sure just where you stand let me encourage you to contact one of the Messianic congregations in this area and talk it out with them. I will be happy to give out names and phone numbers to anyone who asks.

Now obviously, there is not enough room in this little handout to cover every detail of what it will take to escape the coming wrath of God so we will just cover some of the key issues.

The first and top priority for every man, woman, and young person on the face of this earth is to deal with their relationship with Yeshua (the Hebrew name for Jesus.) If you don't have a personal relationship with Yeshua, then nothing else you do matters. Acts 4:12 says, ""And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

There is no salvation in any pious religious leader, there is salvation in no good sounding code of ethics. There is not even salvation in keeping the Torah. If you do not have salvation in Yeshua, then you do not have salvation.

John 3:36 goes on to say, "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

This is not me saying this, it is the Word of God. If you call me to talk about anything in this handout, we will start with your relationship with Yeshua. Without that we have nowhere else to go.

The next logical step is to move into the Ten Commandments. I have had many people proudly announce to me that they live by the Ten Commandments. When I quiz them a little further I find out that they don't even know where to find the Ten Commandments in the Word of God. Just to help you out if you happen to be in that category, I will tell you where to find them. They are listed in two places. The first is in Exodus 20:1-17 and the other place is in Deuteronomy 5:6-21. Others who claim to live by the Ten Commandments don't even know what is contained in them. Let's list them and see just how much about them you really know.

#1 I am YHVH (The LORD) your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

#2 "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5 "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, YHVH (The LORD) your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

#3 "You shall not take The Name of YHVH (The LORD) your God in vain, for YHVH (The LORD) will not leave him unpunished who takes His Name in vain.

#4 "Remember the Sabbath (Seventh) day, to keep it holy. 9 "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of YHVH (The LORD) your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 "For in six days YHVH (The LORD) made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore YHVH (The LORD) blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

#5 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which YHVH (The LORD) your God gives you.

#10 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

We could get into a real discussion about each one of these but we don't have the time or the space to do it here. Let me just draw your attention to number 4. This involved keeping the Sabbath holy. We are not talking about what day you go to church on, we are talking about what you do on the Sabbath (Saturday). Do you treat it as a holy day or do you profane it by treating it just like any other day of the week? Do you set it apart as a separate day or do you mow your lawn and do any number of other odd jobs?

Let me refer you to Acts 15. In the early days of the church, the church consisted of only Jewish believers. There were no gentiles. In Acts 10, the Holy Spirit of God led Peter to the house of Cornelius where the grace of God was freely extended to the non-Jews. As time passed, many non-Jews came to faith in Messiah Yeshua. Many started coming along with a perverted sense of what these former pagans needed to do to truly be considered believers in Yeshua.

To clarify all of the confusion that was developing, the leaders called the first "Church" council. The question they needed to deal with was "What do we do with all of these former pagans that want to believe in the Jewish Messiah?" The leaders in Jerusalem realized that the most important thing these new believers could do would be to go where they could study the Torah. That, of course, was done every Shabbat in the synagogue.

The problem was that the Jews would have nothing to do with the pagans because of their evil lifestyles. So what instructions could these leaders give to these new believers so that they would be acceptable to the Jews so that they could get in and study the Torah?

In Acts 15:19-21, Ya'akov (James) addresses the assembly and says, "Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. If these new believers would do these four minimum things, they would be considered acceptable to the Jews.

Ya'akov continues in verse 21 with, "For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath."

My concern now is that you get to where you can sit under the teachings of the Torah on a weekly basis. The only places that I am aware of that is committed to this are the Messianic congregations. This is of the utmost importance for you. DO NOT accept any substitute.

So how can you prepare for June 18th? Make sure your vehicle is fully gassed up. Make sure you have some cash on hand; if this earthquake actually happens, your bank will probably not be accessible for at least a week. Do not rely on credit cards. If the devastation was as complete as I saw in my dream, there won't be anyone around that will accept one.

Load up at least a week's worth of food & water and some form of shelter, and leave town. If Father's Day ends without anything happening then praise God and return home. If something does happen, you can be thankful to be safe.

To all: When I got home from work today, someone had forwarded an email to me put out by Steve Shultz, via THE ELIJAH LIST [ www.elijahlist.com ] refuting the subject of this thread, the Willamette Vally Warning. Excerpted below, it is helpful for those of us attempting to in good faith sort through dreams, visions, and prophecies.

jm

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The summary of the two dreams circulating were this: This Messianic Christian (who I consider to be a brother in the Lord), received a dream in which on a given day, an evil parade was held in Portland, Oregon. Then he saw buildings collapse, the dam break, and a tsunami hit, which destroyed most of the Willamette Valley. He concluded that since the parade was evil, and the parade was on the 18th of June this year (though that date was not in the dream), this must be the date of inevitable destruction of most of Portland, and continuing down into the Salem area, etc. He further concluded that since he keeps the entire Torah including the Torah Sabbath, then those reading his word should do two things:

a) Be prepared with a full tank of gas in their car on the 18th of June.

b) Be sure they were attending a Torah-keeping Church.

There was no call to pray against the earthquake or catastrophe. No call to pray for repentance.

But there was an "assumption" or one might say, a "inference" that since he kept Torah, so should everyone else. So again, he says all the readers should: 1) keep Torah and 2) have a full tank of gas in their car on June 18th.

Please note that the dream or revelation never said there would be an earthquake on June 18th (though later he got a word that meant "18" in a second dream). And there was certainly no call IN THE DREAM to begin to keep more laws from the Old Covenant--specifically the entire Torah in order to be safe--though that suggestion was implied in the revelation as it was written.

As a result, we are getting many inquiries about this word. It's circulating all over the Willamette Valley where we are located.

Meanwhile....

I have friends who are ministering every week, under the bridges of Portland, to people caught in this same sin this man saw in the dream. They are putting "feet" to the Gospel, and seeing salvations. Rather than fearing that God is about to wipe out Portland, these friends are doing something about the sins seen there, and those caught in this sin. And they are praying for the safety of this area.

The entire Northwest and the West Coast is admittedly overdue for an over-the-top earthquake, volcanic eruptions, and tsunami's galore. Who would or could deny this?

But What Should You Do?

Will you repent and stand in the gap instead? Will you call out to God for mercy?

Many interpret a dream as a "done deal" when all God is wanting to do, is to say something like this, "Unless you repent, the day is coming....the time when one day, sudden destruction is possible because of this sin in this area. So I'm looking for a man or woman, or a Church, a city, or a people to stand in the gap so that judgment of destruction will not be required." (This is not a Scripture but a paraphrased idea of what God is saying through many prophetic revelations that He is giving to many people in many denominations.)

As the Church, we should not have the mentality that IF every doctrine is 100% accurate, and the car is full of gas, then we are in pretty good shape.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with some preparation in case a disaster ever happens to our area. Preparation is good. Fear is not. And yet, the thought process that suggests that, "Since I hold a better set of doctrines than the next person, I will be safer" --this is simply not Biblical. Sometimes, those with the best Theology and the Holiest of lives, suffer the most persecution and are attacked by the enemy.

Rather, we should always pray and always be "repented- up," and we should understand the Blood of Jesus, be ministering to all those around us, standing in the gap in prayer, and yes, living Holy lives.

A Very Common Set of Missteps in the Prophetic

With what has been circulating in the last week or so, all three of the above guidelines are being accidentally (and innocently I'm sure) forgotten.

These are good guidelines for which prophetic words to listen to and obey:

1) It is not normally only one person who will be given a judgment word by the Lord for a region. Rather, God would normally give it to many prophets and prophetic people from various denominations in the region--and many prophetic people will agree on the word.

2) A Call to pray and repent should always be urged to stop the judgment. Otherwise, we might as well be as Jonah was found to be--simply expecting a wicked city to be destroyed while he remained safe.

3) Biblically, you are not more protected because every law or doctrine is kept, or because you hold a more accurate set of doctrines, or even if you keep a certain day more holy than another person keeps it. Instead, most often (but not always) protection comes for those who live Holy Lives and who trust God, according to Psalm 91.

Psalm 91:1-3

"He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High
will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, 'He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.' Surely He will save you from the fowler's snare and from the deadly pestilence." NIV

Steve Shultz
THE ELIJAH LIST
www.elijahlist.com

Thanks for the feedback. It's a dilemma. To be silent is the choice most make when hearing such, for whatever reason. Posting the thread was the decision I made, my heart was in the right place. I didn't want the dream to come to pass. I just wanted people to know. When I had sent an email around with the same message, for one thing, I hoped my aunt, who lives in Vancouver Washington would get out of town for the day.

But the dilemma is that if the dream comes true then it's catastrophic. And If it doesn't then it casts the dreamer and the broadcasters in a bad light. I am still glad it didn't come to pass.

I don't know if we are entering into the Last Days or if the Lord will tarry 500 more years.

But when I hear a warning, it is in a heartfelt way that I want people to know, so they can prepare, so they can be right with God and man. So, I send it around in email. And in this case, I posted it here on FR.

I know that when God looks at my heart, He sees a person who cares about others and doesn't want harm to befall them. He also sees a person who fears Him and is watching and praying while living my daily life.

I don't think Lloyd Day made up the dreams. I think he really had them. I think his publishing them (my impression is that he printed flyers and handed those out) was done out of concern for others. I found the info on the Torah and the Sabbath beyond what I personally do as a believer, but I know there are some who find such very edifying and meaningful.

To me, a false prophet is someone who fabricates something and says God told it to him.

Sigh. Do YOU think that's what Lloyd Day did?

It's awkward. But, on the other hand, what if the dreams had come true? How many folks read this and stopped to examine their heart and to be sure they were in right relationship with their Creator? How many were convicted that they need to remember life as we know it could end with just a moment's notice?

How many folks did get out of town for the day who would have been safe because of the warning? It would have been worth the awkardness for their sake.

It would be totally wrong for anyone to fabricate a dream about the judgment of God. No resulting heart searching or spending Father's Day in the high country would justify such dishonesty and manipulation. It would be despicable.

There were many viewings of this thread. But very few comments. I am concerned about putting Christians who have dreams and visions in a bad light, but I wouldn't go so far as to say I should not have started this thread. To say that all lurkers here reacted badly is making an assumption that can't be proven. There may be some who were nudged to not take this time of peace and prosperity in the USA for granted. There may be some who were nudged to eschew sin and live a godly life. There may be some who were nudged to keep their lamps trimmed and burning knowing there will be a day when He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end and that that Day may be here sooner rather than later.

To the extent that such dreams being published and not coming to pass gives Christians a bad name, it's regrettable. I still don't think silencing all publications of such warnings is the answer.

jm

I strongly agree.

Though I have a lot more certainty about this being the end times than your sentence implied. I think you do, too.

Thanks.

I attended the funeral of de Bro Eucebio sp? De Leon today--Pastor's wife's grandfather, as you know. It was a very precious time. The Presence of God was heavily in the place. His whole reputation was one of loving God and his family and other and trying to insure that all knew Jesus and were ready to go.

It was a very teary service for me even though I know without a doubt that Bro De Leon, Poppo, is in Heaven with The Lord doing better than ever.

It was so precious to sense His Love for Jesus again in his reputation and The Lord's Love for him in that service. It was sooooo precious.

And, of course, I was reminded when I saw him in service a couple of Sundays ago how I'd felt rather strongly that he would not be on this earth much longer. But I had dismissed that sense and certainly had said nothing to him. Thankfully, he knew from many inputs from me how I felt about him. He was one church member who really RECEIVED with love and affection the mug I made him.

So, should I have said something to him? I don't know. Might have been a blessing. What would I have said. I don't know. Something loving, which he'd have graciously received.

Should I have mentioned it to Pastor Brent? Perhaps. He'd have likely dismissed it as he tends to do with such things. He's so burned out over churchianity nonsense and Pentecostal nonsense that he's tended to throw the baby out with the bath on all such things. I don't know that a lot would have been gained by my mentioning it to anyone.

Perhaps some would have spent a few extra minutes with him or some such. But he was always awash in his family's love. It's his family's norm, routine. He, of all people probably felt loved and appreciated about his family because he was so loving.

It's a current dilemna as you know with my 84 year old step'dad's trip to Alaska for 3 weeks. I have felt such a strong press in my spirit to try and get the amendment to the trust done that he wants. And I did. Then he insists that he has to read it many more times and won't sign it until he returns.

I told him that I felt I needed to get it done before his trip but he just gave me a sharp response that he wasn't going to sign it before his trip. I'm puzzled about how to handle it now.

I don't have the certainty I had when I visited you and others in the Midwest last summer that my mother would graduate from this life before I returned from my trip--which she did.

This sense is more like there's a 70-80% chance that dad will return in good health from Alaska but not 100% I don't know how better to put it. I think he is likely to come back safe and sound. But I still have that strong sense that I needed to get the legal papers revised--which I did and then he bowed up about it even though he wants it done, too. Thankfully, the other trustee is more than reasonable and it should not be a problem regardless but it would be so much easier if he took care of it before he left.

And then there's just the conversations that are difficult to have with him though he thinks he's easy to talk to. I'm pretty much not ready at all for him to graduate. But I've done about as much as I can do to prepare for and help prepare him for it. And, he has seemed increasingly diligent to get piddly chore stuff done around the place that he wants done before he graduates.

These sorts of feelings and considerations are pretty common for some of us believers in such situations. I don't have an easy pat answer. I don't think there is an easy pat answer. We all see through the glass darkly. We all are flawed human beings with imperfect walks with God.

God IS VERY ABLE to speak very emphatically and at loud volume in a variety of ways WHEN HE WANTS a message to be unmistakeable and unmistaken. But He OBVIOUSLY PREFERS that still small voice Scripture speaks about. There's something mysterious and important about our training with regard to that still small voice. And pat answers just don't fit.

Anyway--so much for my feelings and cogitations at the moment.

Thanks for your post.

Blessings,

I found the info on the Torah and the Sabbath beyond what I personally do as a believer, but I know there are some who find such very edifying and meaningful.

He is what Paul called a Judaizer (sp), which Paul spoke against in pretty harsh terms.

To me, a false prophet is someone who fabricates something and says God told it to him. Sigh. Do YOU think that's what Lloyd Day did?

A false prophet can also be a mouthpiece for an evil spirit. We are told to test all spirits to see if they are of God. To me, the evidence is either that he fabricated it, or got it from an evil spirit. Either way, I don't find any scriptural basis for making excuses for him. We are told to beware of false prophets because many will try to influence the church.

It's awkward. But, on the other hand, what if the dreams had come true?

Personally, I find that 'what if's' are too often used to justify bad doctrines and liberal philosophies. However, if it had happened, he'd now be somewhat famous, and just like others, I'd now be listening to his next words. But some would be also asking several serious questions:
1. Why didn't he go to the local papers? Or to the local radio stations? Another false prophet gave a similar prophecy several years ago, and the local press was more than happy to oblige him.
2. Why would God give such a huge prophecy, forecasting a worse judgment than Katrina, to a minister with a microscopic church, practically unknown in its own city of Salem, Oregon (my home town)?
3. Why would God give this prophecy to a minister in the wrong city; not in Portland which needed to hear and repent in this case?

There was nothing logical about this thing from the beginning. Unbelievers who heard about this are now chuckling in durision. We look even crazier by making excuses for him.

It still appears, sounds like there's more of a penchant for throwing rocks than for hearing God accurately.

There was nothing Biblical about this event either. There's no biblical pattern to support him. From the evidence, you are supporting a false prophet. Why? To a liberal, the only evil is declaring evil to be evil.

I have no problem giving credit to a true prophet. David Wilkerson's 'Vision' comes to mind. He had the ministry to back it up when he presented it. I read it when it was nearly new, and have seen his prophecies fulfilled one after another.

The scriptures are not soft on false prophets, why should we be? Jesus warned us;

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits."

and again He warned us that in the last days; "Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many."

Peter warned us;

"But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies," (Peter continues in 2 Peter to "cast stones" as you like to call it.)

The Apostle John warned us;

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

Now, show me the passage that tells us to temper those warnings by giving a prophet the benefit of the doubt when he blows it big time.

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