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Attorneys in Duke rape case file motion to get lineup report
Winston-Salem Journal (NC) ^ | Sunday, May 28, 2006 | staff

Posted on 05/28/2006 9:59:32 AM PDT by Perdogg

The woman who has accused three Duke University men's lacrosse players of raping her failed to identify at least one of them in a photo array eight days after the reported attack, according to a motion filed Friday by defense attorneys. The motion also says that she then selected him as an attacker more than two weeks later.

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KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax; durham
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To: Mike Nifong

After the lengths that the N&O (Snooze and Disturber as it is known in Eastern NC) went to to leave out pertinent information I have serious questions regarding the name used. Until I hear it from the defense side that the name is correct I am assuming it is made up.


561 posted on 06/01/2006 5:23:14 PM PDT by Hogeye13
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To: Hogeye13

He would be a good choice, but given the use of the poster of the players, and given the things she said happened that didn't, I think any player there has a good cause of action for slander and its harm.

The damage she has done to these young men is in the millions. Every one of them has been besmirched for all time, even if they are ultimately somewhat vindicated.

IMHO, the only way you'll ever force her to tell her story in a good forum is a civil case in another jurisdiction. She has to show, because if someone gets a default judgment against her, there goes her payday on the book deal or the movie.


562 posted on 06/01/2006 5:24:20 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: David Allen

My thought is that he is in better position because she did accuse him. She did not accuse all the others. I think all of them have good cases against the people that put the poster out, I just don't think she had anything to do with it. Just because the police did not follow up on her accusation does not make it any less real or damaging in my opinion.


563 posted on 06/01/2006 5:29:00 PM PDT by Hogeye13
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To: All; Tarheel; Protect the Bill of Rights; Publius22; Guenevere; Krodg; Locomotive Breath; ...
See, this is what I'm talking about by someone orchestrating the whole thing:

I just found out that they are planning a Huge protest in Durham to support the AV, it is blessed by the City's Fathers, everyone is taking off work, it has financial backing, there will be a massive marches - they are calling it

"A Day without a HO !

564 posted on 06/01/2006 5:29:41 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: Jezebelle
The only one who has said she called her dad for directions is her dad himself, and this was said in response to reports that Mangum was drunk when she arrived.

That was my understanding also. Then her driver from that night came out with a dfferent story.

My point was that not one person they drag out can actually back her up.

565 posted on 06/01/2006 5:34:21 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: All; Krodg; Jezebelle

Remember too, with Brian Taylor's story contradicting her Dad's:

Her Father first started mentioned he saw her fairly late that night (9:30) and what they did because the Dad wanted to be able to attest to her appearance right before Party, because the Dad claimed, at one point, that Crystal was all swollen and bruised (looked like she had been beat up real bad) and had a problem with her leg. The next question from Rita Cosby was -- had you seen her before the party that night?

It sure looks like the Dad comes from left field whenever necessary to vouch for everything and anything. We have to wonder if the broomstick story, told by Dad, and terrible injuries that resulted were not in response to a Civil lawyer telling the family that awards are based, largely, on
physical and emotional injuries.


566 posted on 06/01/2006 5:43:46 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: Mike Nifong

Crystal's case would be called a "Ho-down".


567 posted on 06/01/2006 6:17:38 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: David Allen
He would be a good choice, but given the use of the poster of the players, and given the things she said happened that didn't, I think any player there has a good cause of action for slander and its harm.

Maybe this was why one of the lawyers was making a stink about the Crimestoppers poster with his unnamed client on it. He said he wanted the police to investigate their involvement in this poster. Maybe Crimestoppers and local law enforcement could be a target of such a lawsuit.

IMHO, the only way you'll ever force her to tell her story in a good forum is a civil case in another jurisdiction.

What if they bring this where the national Crimestoppers offices are? That might do it.

568 posted on 06/01/2006 6:20:30 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: All

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............... On Hannity & Colmes

FA was lost and called dad for directions. They are going to have phone records of when these calls took place. Wonder if Meghyn Kendall is a lurker?


569 posted on 06/01/2006 6:25:12 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: pepperhead

Oh yeah, there were several calls of great interest to the defense made to and from CGM's phone at critical times.

Nifong's bizarro world comments about the phone during the hearing are not going to look good for him at all.


570 posted on 06/01/2006 6:30:31 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: pepperhead

H&C: Defense states there is no "flipped" player. All players on record with their accounts. Megyn says press got some leaks from "sources close to prosecution", but not lately. Panel consensus is that Nifong has nothing else to leak.


571 posted on 06/01/2006 6:56:05 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: ltc8k6

I would just absolutely love it if the two phone calls that Crystal received on her way to the Duke house were from Kim and there was GPS data attached. And that the GPS data showed that in the 20 minute time period between the two calls, Crystal's location had not changed. Damn, I love GPS and what it can determine in something like this.


572 posted on 06/01/2006 7:00:30 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Mike Nifong
...and keep Drivers, boyfriends, friends, and relatives from selling damaging facts or stories to tabloids about Crystal.

I agree with your post up to this point. The prosecutor's case is sinking like it's tied to an anchor and there is still plenty of time for one of these 'money hungry' people to cash in.

573 posted on 06/01/2006 7:10:09 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: pepperhead

Agreed.

There will be (or should be phone calls), but we don't know about the Fathers. He has said a lot of things that have proved to be false. Several weeks ago, he had her recovering from a brutal broom stick attack. Last weekend, the driver contradicted him and said she was at his house when the Father says he was with her.

The Father also said that when the Media and every protest group on earth was in that neighborhood, that he went over there and asked questions and a neighbor (an unidentified womam) told him that she heard terrible screams or crying coming from the house at the time of the purported attack. Dad claims that the woman told him she didn't want to get involved. News Reporters never found any such woman.

The Father also went door-to-door over there, during the middle of the day, without the News Media noticing it, or any neighbors (which were also on National TV) mentioning it.

Was it the Father that also said the Accuser Screams when she sees a white man on the street?

I agree with your statement, I'm just saying I don't expect anything from the Father to end up being true, when it all shakes out. Did the Father think he was verifying her prescence and dramatizing the tragedy by adding gripping details?

None of us know, but by court standards, the Father has no credibility - and that's probably understating it.


574 posted on 06/01/2006 7:11:40 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: Krodg

Right, but are they being promised something at the end of the rainbow?


575 posted on 06/01/2006 7:13:43 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: Mike Nifong; David Allen
Have you two noticed the irony in the recent (just yesterday) case of the woman lawyer in ....Alabama...I think it was Alabama....who was kidnapped & taken to a motel & beaten, tied up....

..was actually found before it was too late and rescued...

...and from what I hear, they're calling it just a ...

..random incident....(no one dare call it a hate crime, it seems)...

576 posted on 06/01/2006 7:17:23 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Mike Nifong
Right, but are they being promised something at the end of the rainbow?

Deal or No Deal?

If I'm Cousin Jackie or Brian Taylor or whomever, I'm taking the "Hard Copy" interview for $2000 rather than waiting on any promised money from a civil case.

577 posted on 06/01/2006 7:21:00 PM PDT by Publius22
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To: Publius22
If I'm Cousin Jackie or Brian Taylor or whomever, I'm taking the "Hard Copy" interview for $2000 rather than waiting on any promised money from a civil case.

It would be a good question to put to the editor or ombudsman (if they have one). "Was the accuser and/or her boyfriend compensated for the interview? If so, how much?"

578 posted on 06/01/2006 7:30:27 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Guenevere

I noticed I haven't seen any pictures of the Perpetrator on TV and there's been no outrage.

I'm not saying they haven't put them on TV, but I haven't seen them.


579 posted on 06/01/2006 7:31:15 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: Publius22

But you are Pulius22. You probably go to work every day and pay your taxes and don't aspire to own your own label or a 10,000 foot square mansion.

IF someone approached you - someone that you respected, was respected in your community, dressed nice, someone you believed was far smarter than you'll ever be - if that person misled you into thinking you may be charged or that he alone could protect you from authorities - maybe things would be different. I don't think it's a stretch to say most of these people don't understand the law or have $5,000 to retain a lawyer in case they do get charged.

Just a thought


580 posted on 06/01/2006 7:38:14 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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