Posted on 05/27/2006 7:47:24 PM PDT by Reaganesque
Juggernaut's origin is he's in prison, he's a mutant. That's it.
No mention of his name, no mention of his relationship to professor X, and no mention of the fact that he's not a mutant, his helmet is the source of his power.
The brood story arc was awesome. Claremont was incredible. I also really got into the Inferno storyline. Storm gaining control of the Morlocks, and later the Morlock massacre was really groundbreaking at the time. And although it wasn't written by Claremont, I loved the whole Age of Apocalypse.
When/if they do any other X-Men movies, I can't imagine which storylines they'll take on. I'm assuming they will introduce the Hellfire Club, or maybe Genosha (that storyline really creeped me out). And I really can't see them not doing a "Days of Future past" installment, it will be interesting to see if they bring in Rachel Summers and/or Franklin Richards.
And how would trying to explain Juggernaut's powers as having been mystically bestowed by Cyttorak (via a magical ruby) have helped the movie? Some things have to be streamlined and even altered for the film version. "X3" also doesn't give any indication that Juggernaut has any ties to Professor X, while in the comics he's Professor Xavier's step-brother. Does it matter? Not really, because it isn't relevant to the film's main plot.
I found the high-profile deaths in "X3" a bit surprising, but keep in mind how many mutant characters have existed over the history of the X-Men since their first appearance. Beast, Iceman, Colossus, Shadowcat, Havok, Polaris, Banshee, Angel, Gambit and many more are still available to take center stage in future installments. And as the coda after the credits demonstrates, improbable resurrections aren't out of the question.
I liked the movie, even its new explanation for the out-of-control Dark Phoenix version of Jean sans any mystical or extraterrestrial baggage. We'll never get a filmed version of the comics as written, but that's not the purpose of the films, which have to stand on their own in a form that non-fans of the comics can easily grasp. It was a fun, action-filled story that served to advance the series and leave many options for future entries. X-Men fans who aren't hung up on the minutae of continuity should check it out.
I couldn't agree more.
Insultingly bad.
Wow. All that you mentioned really took me back. (I just read that you named your son Logan. You must REALLY like Wolverine!) My first job was at a comic book store. I read every title I could get my hands on, from marvel, dc, dark horse, top cow, new universe and on and on. I even got to meet a lot of the people involved in comics at the time, including John Byrne, Chris Claremont, Art Adams, Bill Sienkiewicz, Dave McKean, Neil Gaiman, Frank Miller, Marv Wolfman, Walt and Weezy Simonson, and Stan the Man Lee through conventions and friends. That was a great job and I had not thought about it for some time.
I just took a look at marvel.com. They seem to have a new inter-series event starting up called Civil War. It amazes me how the same comic books and characters keep going year after year, constantly being re-invented/re-envisioned/re-imagined. Frankly, I can see why these genre of movies do not often match the books. There is just too much history and too many versions of history to draw from. It is just easier to take bits and pieces from what sounds cool and build from there. Despite my past experience with comic books, I am okay with the movies differing with the books.
Actually, I take that back.
If a movie of the Sandman lore (the vertigo title, not the marvel character) was ever produced, I think I would want it to follow what I remember reading in the books. SO- I understand and appreciate your point of view!
I'm still jazzed about seeing X3 though. :)
Oh, I hope that's gonna be good. The first one was just SO MUCH FUN! The best, most enjoyable movie I'd seen since "the sixth sense". At least SOME people can still think up an original idea for a movie.
You really miss the irony in that statement talking about a sequal, don't you?
Okay- what if you're engaged to a lesbian biracial midget hermaphrodite in a wheelchair?
Just wondering, mind you- it's for a 'friend of mine', not me.
Please tell me Magneto gets it in the end. I know the actor does.
I don't think that she would have been any better than Halle Barry. Frankly, I think that Halle is too beautiful, in a cute/hot way for the role. I always thought that Storm would be more regal and less "hot." I was thinking maybe Iman (although still too far on the "hot" side) or Grace Jones.
Mark
Well yeah, but at least this is a sequal to an original movie, instead of Superman whatever that is coming out. Besides, we all wanted to see more of Johnny Depp in this part! The greatest camp performance since Tim Curry in Rocky Horror. Better all around, I'd say, since it was OK for ma and the kids.
Hollywood likes to adapt comic books but is always embarassed by the superhero costumes.
And the plots would never rank among the better comic book stories from these series.
I'm a fan of the comics, I think they did a good job. The movie series has always been about hilights from the books, they're taking 3 generations worth of characters and key points from about 4 years worth of multiple books (mostly X-Men, but some New Mutants, and X-Factor, and that other spinoff book I always forget) and working them into a viable story that while different from the original still keeps the spirit.
X-Men has been a platform to discuss bigotry for a very long time. You can see whichever subgroup you want in mutants because Claremont (and to a lesser extent previous writers) put parallels to every subgroup he could think of.
Yes Magneto is a terrorist, he's also the villain, but he's a villain with a point. Remember he's a Holocaust survivor, he's this stuff before, or at least he's pretty sure he's seen it before. In the comics they develop that stronger with some character popping in from the future, a future in which everything Magneto fears has come to pass. As well as fear of Holocaust 2 Magneto is also driven by ego, he really likes being a really powerful mutant, which is really the thing that pushes him over from being someone merely concerned (like Charles) to a terrorist.
I don't think any of that makes it tainted, because he's the bad guy. The bad guy is supposed to do and say things that are wrong, that's why they're bad guys.
Magneto was, in my mind, the only really compelling character in the 3rd film. I enjoyed the first and second X-Mens, but this last one left me cold. My understanding is that they changed directors. Whatever caused it, the drop in quality was marked.
I guess I'm getting too old 'cause I'm still interested in the TV series 'Avitar' and the new sci fi offering of Dr. Who, although I'm starting to detect a certain homosexual undercurrent to it of late when a few exchanges set off my gaydar.
They changed directors because Brian Singer was only doing X-Men in order to get superhero movies on his resume incase somebody decided to resurrect the Superman movies which was his dream directing job. And of course it worked because somebody did resurrect Superman and he got the job. I think the new director did a fine job, if there was a problem with the movie it's too many characters. In trying to get everybody's favorite they've had to spread the plot across too many characters, so you no longer have the time to get emotionally involved with the characters. It also becomes a festival of loose ends, where'd Nightcrawler go, how long ago was Beast an X-Man, did anybody actually bother to look for Cyclops and make sure he's dead? But the action was nice, the story was nice, and what you got to know about the characters was nice. It would have been better at a full 2 hours and with about 6 fewer characters.
Speak for yourself. I loved the comics and I loved this movie as well.
That's because Jonny Depp can actually ...act!
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