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Conspiracy lovers see two false starts (BARBARO INJURED BEFORE PREAKNESS ???)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | May 26, 2006 | JIM O'DONNELL STAFF REPORTER

Posted on 05/26/2006 8:17:39 AM PDT by Chi-townChief

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This surprised me after what I heard during the broadcast:

The amount of pressure it took Barbaro to break the starting gate also has been overstated in some quarters. Industry experts say a mere 30 pounds of force is enough to pop the barrier.
1 posted on 05/26/2006 8:17:42 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

Barbaro was definitely injured before the start of the race. I can't believe the number of people who have not gone back and watched the NBC broadcast tape which shows this. The tape after he broke through the gate clearly shows him trotting on three legs and holding the right rear leg up and he hops along...BEFORE the race.


2 posted on 05/26/2006 8:23:24 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: Chi-townChief

You mean a plane didn't really fly into the horse's leg during the race?


3 posted on 05/26/2006 8:24:35 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: LIConFem

LOL. Actually, it was a Predator drone...


4 posted on 05/26/2006 8:27:30 AM PDT by eureka! (Heaven forbid the Rats get control of Congress and/or the Presidency any time soon....)
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To: Chi-townChief

Anyone see Jeff Gilooly in the area?

5 posted on 05/26/2006 8:28:08 AM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: ZGuy

I don't know much about horses, but I do know human nature. Barbaro wasn't going to be scratched from the race unless one of his legs actually fell off.


6 posted on 05/26/2006 8:28:44 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: HairOfTheDog

*ping*


7 posted on 05/26/2006 8:29:01 AM PDT by Beaker
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To: Chi-townChief

I get nervous when I see a grassy knoll.


8 posted on 05/26/2006 8:38:44 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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To: Chi-townChief
May I ask a somewhat related question, in the hope that anyone with a knowledge of horse-racing can respond:

I read that even if Barbaro survives, he's very unlikely to be a successful stud because his rear legs won't be able to support his weight when he mounts the mare. Jockey Club rules require that only natural insemination is used for thoroughbreeds bred to race.

Anyone know why that is? I don't see why they wouldn't allow artificial insemination. DNA tracing can protect against fraud. What could be the reason?

9 posted on 05/26/2006 8:41:20 AM PDT by ken5050 (GWB, Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul II, freed hundreds of millions.# of Nobel PeacePrizes: ZERO)
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To: Chi-townChief
...Of course, if thoroughbred racing's doors of perception were ever thoroughly cleansed, the parimutuel part of the game probably would no longer exist. Only the gentried shooing flies and imbecilic bottom clockers would remain. ...

Huh? Can this be translated into English?

10 posted on 05/26/2006 8:45:06 AM PDT by FReepaholic ("I just freaked out and shot him -- boom, boom, boom, boom.")
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To: Chi-townChief; ecurbh; CindyDawg; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; Duchess47; FrogInABlender; ...
Every time I take my horse on trail, I am constantly guessing and second guessing and worrying and debating my judgment on whether he is sound. Now, he's an aging 24 year old pleasure horse, but I don't think the minds of anyone running a young thoroughbred are any less settled and sure. That's what 'nerves' and 'jitters' are.

The truth is, every instinct a horse has tells him to hide any sign of weakness or injury, and the human beings in this case had next to no ability to be omniscient about anything that might have been wrong. We'd like to be, but we aren't.

One aspect I haven't seen discussed, besides the human desire to see that Barbaro ran this race even after the false start, is that the OTHER horses and jockeys already in the gate are a risk of serious injury that only increases the longer they have to stand in the gate. Strong horses in small spaces, expecting to hear a bell the thunder of the start at any moment are dangerous, and there is a very real need to get the race started ASAP once the first horse is loaded. They couldn't take all day to make this decision, and instincts told them to check mostly for sign of injuries to the front end that would have had contact with the gate.

Only with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight and all the time in the world to think about it, can we analyze these judgments now. That's my take on it.

Ping!


11 posted on 05/26/2006 8:45:24 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ken5050
Anyone know why that is? I don't see why they wouldn't allow artificial insemination. DNA tracing can protect against fraud. What could be the reason?

The arguments against AI are prevention of fraud, prevention of unintended defects in the ability breed naturally, and the importance to diversity in the gene pool of limiting any one horse's impact to that which he can do naturally.

Some breeds to allow it, but I'm not sure they are smarter.

12 posted on 05/26/2006 8:48:35 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Chi-townChief
...A key live portion of that span -- ...is not available on the NBC tape because the network opted to replay Barbaro breaking through the gate....

I'm betting that NBC did have a camera on him during this and that they were running tape on it as they normally would.

13 posted on 05/26/2006 8:48:57 AM PDT by FReepaholic ("I just freaked out and shot him -- boom, boom, boom, boom.")
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To: ZGuy
he tape after he broke through the gate clearly shows him trotting on three legs and holding the right rear leg up and he hops along...BEFORE the race.

If it was so clear, don't you think others would have seen that? I didn't.

14 posted on 05/26/2006 8:49:32 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: FReepaholic

Dont ask, dont tell.

;-)


15 posted on 05/26/2006 8:50:37 AM PDT by Canedawg (In God We Trust)
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To: HairOfTheDog

The video that shows him hopping was one from a replay of the gate-breaking incident which was shown 5-10 minutes after the race on NBC.


16 posted on 05/26/2006 8:54:54 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: HairOfTheDog

I'm not a vet but I watched the horse going back to the gate and I saw no signs of lameness, much less the horse being three legged lame. I think the consipiracists (if there is such a word), just love to eat this stuff up.


17 posted on 05/26/2006 8:56:17 AM PDT by cjshapi
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To: HairOfTheDog

Not even the announcers noticed it, but if you are watching the leg, you can't miss it.


18 posted on 05/26/2006 8:57:56 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

If you have access to a link, post it. Otherwise, I'll say it's preposterous to say you "can't miss it" on a peice of tape that's been watched and rewatched by lots of learned people since last weekend. None of them have reported this.


19 posted on 05/26/2006 9:02:35 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Chi-townChief

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=2000620

NEW YORK May 24, 2006 (AP)— Preakness winner Bernardini will not run in the Belmont Stakes, another blow to the final race of the Triple Crown series.

Dubai's Sheik Mohammed, who operates Darley Stud, made the decision to rest Bernardini.


20 posted on 05/26/2006 9:03:50 AM PDT by khnyny
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