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Conspiracy lovers see two false starts (BARBARO INJURED BEFORE PREAKNESS ???)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | May 26, 2006 | JIM O'DONNELL STAFF REPORTER

Posted on 05/26/2006 8:17:39 AM PDT by Chi-townChief

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To: Chi-townChief
So Gary Stevens is now the ultimate authority on what happened to Barbaro?

Perhaps he ought to change careers from being a jockey to being a soothsayer.

21 posted on 05/26/2006 9:06:08 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: ken5050

The sport of kings is very strict when it comes to reproduction. AI is a "bad word" and is strictly forbidden in order to register and race horses.Stallion owners are extremely selective with bloodlines when a mare owner requests to breed. Doesn't matter how much the stud fee is, if the stallion owner doesn't see it as a potential good match, no dice.
On artificial insemination within the equine breed, a stallion mounts a mare in heat just like she was the recipient, however, the stallions, shall we say, "investment" is steered into an artificial receptacle for collection. My dad was in the industry most of his life so I got to watch and assist in many couplings. Made for an interesting childhood!


22 posted on 05/26/2006 9:06:57 AM PDT by Mustng959 (Peace.....Through Superior Firepower)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Great post. Thanks.


23 posted on 05/26/2006 9:13:11 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

Thanks... I meant to say "their minds aren't any ~more~ settled and sure, but hopefully folk know what I ~meant~ to say :~D


24 posted on 05/26/2006 9:20:10 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

Thanks for the insult. All I'm saying is watch the tape. I just checked the MSNBC videos and they don't have a video of the gate-crashing event online. Didn't you tape the broadcast?


25 posted on 05/26/2006 9:27:44 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

I didn't insult you, I'm just trying to temper your report that it's 'obvious' since, of all the eyes watching since then you're the only one that's reported seeing this.

I don't have a tape of it, no.


26 posted on 05/26/2006 9:32:03 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Mustng959

Thanks for the info..I remember reading how nervous first-time stallions are first introduced to a "seasoned" mare..Boy, I wish someone had done that for ME..LOL.....IOW, I gather it's impossible for the stallion to produce semen unless he is in an excited state, and to do that he has to be on two legs..


27 posted on 05/26/2006 9:33:44 AM PDT by ken5050 (GWB, Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul II, freed hundreds of millions.# of Nobel PeacePrizes: ZERO)
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To: ken5050; Mustng959

They do also have mounting contraptions now that stallions learn to think is as good as a mare.


28 posted on 05/26/2006 9:35:51 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Chi-townChief

The only thing missing from this story is the phrase "...according to an unnamed source..."


29 posted on 05/26/2006 9:45:05 AM PDT by Niteranger68
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To: HairOfTheDog

Perhaps we could make this into a Freeper Pajamahadeen call. Ping the Horse List with a request to ask if anyone taped the broadcast. If they did, have them look at the NBC broadcast post-race replays of the gate-crashing incident and run-out and then have them report back on whether or not they see Barbaro do any three-legged gaits. If he did, then Freepers get another feather in their cap. If not, well . . I guess I'll just go mumbling off somewhere repeating "I'm losing my mind. I'm losing my mind." (My apologies if I took your post the wrong way.)


30 posted on 05/26/2006 9:48:27 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

Well, I've already pinged them to this thread once, let's see, before pinging them again, if anyone chimes in that they've either got a link to footage or can report this :~D


31 posted on 05/26/2006 9:50:01 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; ZGuy

I have seen the slo-mo replay of the gate-break run.....by the time Barbaro takes the 3rd or 4th step with the right rear, its abberant form is as evident in the very same ways that it is in the actual race slo-mo before the jockey realizes he is hurt and pulls him up.


32 posted on 05/26/2006 10:05:30 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Chi-townChief
Unless the horse was clearly favoring his hind leg, there is no way he would be scratched. About a year ago, we went out to Santa Anita for their premier race. Along with everybody else there we put a small amount of money on the favorite. He didn't even place. Turns out he had been sick three days before the race and the public was not told. No punishment was assessed to the owners or the trainers. Nothing happened to them at all. We haven't been back to Santa Anita.
33 posted on 05/26/2006 10:09:56 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: ZGuy

>Not even the announcers noticed it, but if you are watching the leg, you can't miss it.<

Hogwash. The horse was moving perfectly.

If he had been staggering the way you describe, he would have been scratched immediately. No rider would have been willing to go forward on a broken down horse, putting themselves at great risk. None of the other riders would have wanted any part of sharing the racetrack with a horse ready to fall down. Nobody would have wanted any part of the liability for the resulting dead or injured riders.

No one observed anything amiss with Barbaro prior to the race.


34 posted on 05/26/2006 11:03:21 AM PDT by RSteyn
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Huh? Can this be translated into English?

Here's a rough translation into English.

'If folks knew what really went on in the horse racing industry only fools and rich folks with money to throw away would bet. '

If you are not familiar with the story of Alydar, you should look it up. That's the first thing that comes to mind when I read about a top race horse breaking a leg.

35 posted on 05/26/2006 11:08:47 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: HairOfTheDog

I know it might not be nearly as exciting but I would like to see them run in lanes with no gates:')


36 posted on 05/26/2006 11:11:04 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: ZGuy
I watched all the replays available at the time (we were glued to the TV or to the computer) and I didn't see any sign of lameness or strain, let alone three-legged hopping such as you describe.

I've ridden since I was 6 or 7 years old, and I'm considered to have a pretty good eye for a horse being "off", and I just don't see it. Besides, you can feel it before you can see it, and no jockey in his right mind would ride into a race knowing that the horse was going unevenly.

Nor have I heard this from anyone else. Are you sure you didn't see a snippet of the post-injury film taken out of context?

37 posted on 05/26/2006 11:12:59 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: HairOfTheDog

I've heard about those mounting contraptions but never saw one. I could tell a few stories about how individual stallions liked everything a certain way that would keep lay people in stitches but being its a family board and I wouldn't want to get banned ... Horses are amazing and intelligent creatures and they are as individual as humans.


38 posted on 05/26/2006 11:28:21 AM PDT by Mustng959 (Peace.....Through Superior Firepower)
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To: CindyDawg
Well, back in the old days before they had gates, they used a cloth, rope or cable barricade that flew up in the air when the starter pressed a foot switch.

Danger of course was horses jostling or kicking each other before the start, or horses getting turned around facing the wrong way (Man O' War did that once.)

I'm not sure when the starting gate came into general use, but it must have been fairly recently, especially in England.

39 posted on 05/26/2006 11:33:48 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Mustng959

Friend of mine had a QH stallion who would not treat it as "just business" - he had to fall in love first. They usually put him and the lady of the moment in adjoining paddocks (with an access road in between) so that they could get acquainted. I'm surprised they didn't have a "perfesser" out there playing mood music on the bordello piano . . .


40 posted on 05/26/2006 11:35:27 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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