Posted on 05/18/2006 10:53:18 PM PDT by Dr. Richard Kimble
May 18, 2006 : 9:32 pm ET
DURHAM -- A judge agreed Thursday to let the defense try to find out what information is on the cell phone of the exotic dancer who has accused three Duke lacrosse players of rape, and also ordered police to preserve their notes in the case.
The decisions came as the case of State v. Reade Seligmann saw its first day in court after weeks of sometimes stunning developments, press conferences, leaked documents and almost nonstop chatter.
With a trial likely still months away, the brief hearing was supposed to be nothing more than a chance for District Attorney Mike Nifong and defense attorney Kirk Osborn, representing one of the three Duke lacrosse players charged with first-degree rape, sexual offense and kidnapping, to settle some administrative issues.
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What you are missing, among many, many points, is that nobody gives a damn if you understand it or not, and nobody is interested in taking the time to explain it to you or locate posts for you because you have no purpose in posting on this subject except to harrass other posters, and that, my friend, is a highly logical inference that any sentient person reading your posts on this subject has drawn.
Those kinds of seedy impulses and depravities are generally kept private and not exposed to other peoples' observation, no matter how close or kindred those other people are. But your insight into the topic of seedy impulses is telling, since you clearly have no background in prosecuting, profiling or investigating heinous crimes and crimes of perversion.
LOL, maybe that's what happened. The whores came onto THEM, and the guys rejected them, so one got mad and cried rape.
What in hell would these guys want with some ugly whore ten years older than they are? YUCK!
They'd already given them the thumbs down. What's comical is that one or both of them said that after they danced a few minutes, the guys became excited and aggressive. Excited, NO WAY! Aggressive about getting them OUT of the house, probably!
Like Hugh Grant, people exploring secret fantasies don't do them in groups, and that's a fact, although my recollection is that Grant was drunk off his ass and probably did it because he thought it was a good idea at the time, and really doesn't have any secret burning desire to get oral sex from a cheap black street hooker.
Another interesting comment by Nifong...
When the judge asked him something about if the phone was to be used as evidence, his reply was "not the contents of the phone, but the fact that it was found at the house shows she was there and corroborates her statement"... or something to that effect..
How could he possibly say that w/o knowing what was on the phone? If something on the phone helped his case, why would he tell the judge he didn't plan to use it?
Oooops....
I'll bet you they tested the cop. I have a feeling that she threatened him with rape before she said it was the boys and am thinking that's the ORIGINAL reason they went for the SANE nurse. It's the only thing that makes sense to me right now. I might change my mind when I know more.
Exactly, plus the fact that Hugh Grant did it so he wouldn't have a loony love struck woman trying to say he loved her. He bought his BJ from someone who sells them, not from someone who is a potential stalker for "lost love".
When all these vicitm rights laws were passed, and they are a good thing, women were alot different then. Not like today's women who would use them for fame or their own agendas.
We mothers and fathers have sons as well as daughters and they need to be protected by laws equally as protective towards them.
There should be a mandatory 20 to 30 year sentence for women who bring false accusations of rape against any man proven innocent.
These kids have had their pictures plastered all over the media, the corporate world is not forgiving regarding any hint of scandal and these boys will suffer those effects no matter how innocent they are. Future corporate employment, future success in any field they have chosen will be far more difficult for them to enter into because of this kind of publicity.
Their pictures and details of their lives should never have been plastered all over the media until they had been convicted of a crime. Our sons deserve the same protections from predator females, as our daughters do from predator men.
There is no question the boys will be affected - however - there is a large group of Duke alumni who will be doing their best to help them. And many of the Duke alumni are in a position to do just that. As more information comes out it is clear the boys are being railroaded. I really don't think they are going to be ostracized. Nifong, on the other hand, is going to be hurting big time.
Or having another one of her " spells." Wasn't it reported that the FA's hands were wrapped around the stick shift and she wouldn't let go ? Kim told the security guard that the FA " won't " get out of the car- not, that she " can't."
I think you're both onto something. Sounds to me as if the FA has a little act --a "spell"-- that she uses to try to confound people when she gets into trouble.
Did you hear the interview with a local nightclub owner a few weeks ago? This man owns a club where the FA had "auditioned." He said she exhibited some bizarre behavior there too: Apparently the FA ran off to some back room and "hid under a table."
The club's staff tried to coax her out from under the table, but she held on and was "unresponsive." Reminds me of her act in Kim's car.
I heard that, too, and so did defense counsel, obviously, because he began to press even harder for the review. What will be interesting is whether the defense expert turns up any indication that anything was overtly deleted after the cops took custody of the phone.
But, yeah, Nifong was almost comical in his obvious dismissal of a plan to use any info from the phone. Most likely there's something there that does not help him back the timeline up to 11:30ish like he'd like to do. What a hideous excuse for a prosecutor. I think he's been chasing parking tickets or whatever petty assignment it was that he did for the five years before he became DA while he had cancer so long he has no clue as to how ridiculous a figure he is in the context of a serious case. And the idiots who voted for him look even stupider.
......and not likely to cry rape or sue him when he dumped her.
You might be interested in an article I posted, "In the Name of Justice." It discusses some of your points in detail, and this isn't happening just in the U.S..
I heard that story, too. But, this time, instead of stealing a car and trying to kill a cop, she decided to ruin the lives of three promising young men.
I don't know who's worse - Mangum or Nifong. Probably Nifong, but I'm still undecided.
"The irrationally high bail is a sympton, not a cause, of Nifong being a vengeful little prick."
Nifong has nothing to do with the bail. Nifong can suggest an amount, but bottomline, it is the Court and only the Court who determines the bail amount.
Oh, please, Marajade. The court almost always goes along with the DA's bail amount request. Bail reduction hearings are common and the judges always get around to hearing them, particularly when the defendant remains in custody. It is then and only then that the judge really looks at the issue of the current bail amount. The DA request an amount and declares that the amount requested meets the guidelines, to the extent that a particular jurisdiction has a viable guideline.
Are you saying you're misdirected in that you are pointing a finger at Nifong rather than the judge in relation to your displeasure at the bail amount that was set?
No, I'm not. Apparently you didn't watch Thursday's hearing. The judge asked Nifong if the current bail amount met the guideline, or words to that effect. In other words, just as I said, the court relies on the DA to determine the bail amount at the outset of the case in connection with the arrest warrant. The judge will look at the subject of bail not too far down the road if the defense brings a bail reduction motion.
Thank you, I will check it out.
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