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Posted on 05/16/2006 6:36:12 PM PDT by nickcarraway
SAN FRANCISCO--Sun Microsystems will open-source Java--it just has to figure out how to do it, company executives said Tuesday.
Open-source advocates have urged Sun for years to open-source the Java programming language, but the company has resisted, citing compatibility concerns and fear of losing control. Now the company has promised that Java will become open source.
At JavaOne, Sun Microsystems CEO Jonathan Schwartz and Rich Green, the company's new executive vice president of software, officially announce that Java will become open source.
"At this point, it is not a question of whether, but it is a question of how" Sun will open-source Java, Rich Green, the company's new executive vice president of software, said at Sun's annual JavaOne developer conference here.
The previous concerns have not gone away, said Green, who rejoined the company earlier this month. "There are two battling forces here," he said. One force is the demand for Sun to open up Java, and the other is concern for compatibility. "This is something for us to go figure out," he said.
Green didn't give a time line or details of how Sun would proceed. When Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz repeated Greens' statement onstage, the audience cheered. "The question is not whether we will open-source Java, the question is how," Schwartz reiterated.
In a meeting with reporters after the opening address at JavaOne, Schwartz and Green shared a few more details. "All the community will be involved," Green said. "I feel like I have not one boss, but thousands of them. This has to be done as a group," he said.
Because it is not a simple task, no targets can be set regarding arrival time, Green said.
Sun hopes that releasing Java under an Open Source Initiative, or OSI, license will increase the number of Java users. "Minimally, (we expect) that those who have said that they won't use Java unless it is under an OSI license will now use Java," Schwartz said. "It just grows the tent."
Schwartz makes the right point, said RedMonk analyst James Governor. "If there are people out there saying they won't use it because of religion, that makes a lot of sense." Yet for enterprise Java users, compatibility is a critical issue, and Sun has to tread carefully, Governor said.
The jury is still out on whether Sun's announcement will make a difference, said Lyn Robison, an analyst at the Burton Group. "I'd like to see how they are going to do it," he said.
IBM--a Sun rival, but also a big Java user--supports Sun's action in committing to open-sourcing Java, Rod Smith, IBM's vice president of emerging technology, said in a statement.
"Java has grown in popularity, but the rate and pace of innovation has been limited by the degree of openness Sun was then willing to embrace," Smith said. IBM would gladly help Sun bring Java into the open-source realm, he added.
Increasing the number of Java users should in turn grow Sun's business, Schwartz said. "Open-sourcing products doesn't mean you have less revenue; it means you have less barriers to revenue," he said. "Folks that want to pay for the product will continue to pay for it. They want access to support and services."
Since Sun open-sourced Solaris, the company's business related to the operating system has grown at a rate Schwartz hadn't seen before at Sun, he said. "Open source allows us to appeal to those customers that will only use or incorporate open-source products," he said.
Attendees of JavaOne will not be getting hold of the source code for Java under an open-source license. But, as expected, Sun on Tuesday announced it is making other software available to the open-source community. This software includes Sun Java Studio Creator, Sun Java System Portal Server, Sun's Java Message System-based message queue and Web Services Interoperability Technology.
Also, as previously reported, Sun announced the Operating System Distributor's License for Java, which is designed to make it easier to bundle the desktop Java Runtime Environment with Linux. Developers of several Linux packages--including Ubuntu, Gentoo and Debian--are expected to include Java with their operating systems, Sun said.
Sun has increasingly embraced open source. Last year, the Santa Clara, Calif.-based company launched OpenSolaris, an open-source project for its Solaris operating system. In addition, it made a shift in its Java applications, scrapping an upfront license fee in favor of subscription-based pricing, common in open-source business models.
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I am not in the 'sun should open source java' camp. Frankly compatibility of Java should be #1!
Sun announced the Operating System Distributor's License for Java, which is designed to make it easier to bundle the desktop Java Runtime Environment with Linux.
As far as I am concerned this is all Sun had to do I don't see a benefit to Java itself being open source but I do see a benefit in making it easier for RedHat, Novell, and other to implement JRE's in their product.
Agreed. As long as the Java is fully and accurately documented, I'm not overly concerned that the JVM be open source. It would be somewhat helpful if they'd open up the browser plugin code, as there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of movement on Sun's part on that stuff. Perhaps the community can bug hunt for them.
Perhaps opening up the code will be good for their JVM. The jrocket JVM is already lots faster on intel boxes (with some really cool probes available to monitor running code). We're looking really closely at migrating some of our Solaris-based WebLogic servers to Intel boxes running with the jrocket jvm.
Ugg dont get me started on BEA's cluster*&^% of a support matrix..
LOL. When WL is working, it's great, but geez, it can be a real pain to find out what's going on when things are broken.
Foolish move by Sun, as OSI license means the ability to fork off a new version of Java by their competitors. Maybe they're counting on their patents preventing that, but someone like IBM might not be scared of Sun's patent threat.
They also better realize they have long time customers like myself who use Sun products in secure environments who very well might switch away if they actually eventually open source everything they have. Thankfully I don't see any mention yet of the commercial Solaris or Java Web Server.
http://www.sun.com/software/products/web_srvr/security.xml
[Golden Eagle]Yes you are! You guys want all software under the license of that leftist Stallman![/Golden Eagle]
Well I will say he has not come to that and has had a few non flame discussions lately, maybe he is growing up...
Did you see him try to claim that Linux destroyed Stout's hard drive? Pretty hilarious.
No I pointed out reverse engineered drivers that weren't tested by the vendor can destroy hardware, a obvious fact you open source fanatics refuse to admit. You guys are so far left you're even to the left of newbi3, as if there were any room left over there.
"No I pointed out reverse engineered drivers that weren't tested by the vendor can destroy hardware..."
in an attempt to prove that Linux destroyed Stout's drive.
You're struggling. Just quit while you're behind.
You say this to FLAMING DEATH. LMAO at your hypocrisy!
UPDATE
Sun releases Java under GPL licence
SUN MICROSYSTEMS will announce today that its Java language, contrary to the prediction of many pundits, will be offered as pure "Free Software" -as Richard Stallman would say "free as in freedom"- under a GPL version two licence.
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http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35691
I personally never cared for Java, but Unix-side needs a boost to compete to force the Master of Shoddy to produce better quality.
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