Posted on 05/10/2006 11:24:25 PM PDT by OakOak
By John Stevenson : The Herald-Sun jstevenson@heraldsun.com May 11, 2006 : 12:20 am ET
DURHAM -- Tissue found under the fingernail of an exotic dancer who claimed she was raped at a Duke University lacrosse party may match a player who was there, several well-placed sources said Wednesday.
Analyzing the tissue, scientists concluded it came from the same genetic pool and was "consistent" with the bodily makeup of one of 46 lacrosse players who gave DNA samples for testing, the sources said.
At the same time, scientists ruled out a possible match with any of the other 45 students, according to the sources.
If accurate, the fingernail tissue match would offer the first DNA evidence potentially linking the dancer and an alleged attacker.
But because a complete DNA pattern was not obtained from the tissue, it was not possible to match it with the nearly 100 percent certainty that DNA results usually offer, the sources added.
The dancer told police she clawed at three attackers as they raped and sodomized her for 30 minutes during the March 13-14 lacrosse house party at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd.
(Excerpt) Read more at heraldsun.com ...
But it doesn't matter, according to Nifong, they put on their raping jackets first (sarc).
I'm feeling the same way about driving through Durham to get west of here.
bump
The AV arrived 1/2 hour late.
I believe she was drunk or drugged when she got there. She somehow started to dance but was stumbling and unable to perform. She drinks her drink and then tries to drink Kim's and spills it (another clue that she was out of it) Kim takes AV into the bathroom to try to straighten her out, ie, stick nails back on, etc. AV is out of it. Players get ticked off and are waiting for strippers to come back outside. Kim already has the $400 bucks, but I am not sure if AV got paid up front. They guys feel cheated and Kim gets pissed and leaves and that is when the rape is supposed to occur? Isn't AV on the back porch at that time? I am not sure but eventually they carry AV out and are pissed off and start yelling at them cause they were ripped off. Also regarding the nails - If they are stick on, they do not stay on at all.
<< Kim already has the $400 bucks, but I am not sure if AV got paid up front. >>
see post #209
The AV refers to a guy that gave her $400
Originally they were talking about red nails, but when they found pink nail polish smeared on the porch railing they quit talking about the "red".
If she arrived at the party with red nails and was missing a couple, she could've decided to remove them and apply new ones. This fits with the defense finding unpainted nails and smeared nail polish. I doubt that she would've painted them before application. She would've had to lay them out on a paper towel or tissue to avoid getting nail polish on the bathroom counter and nothing like that is noted. Also, she would've had to wait for the polish to dry before she could apply them and this doesn't fit the smeared polish.
Also, if she used another glue, her nails would've stayed on longer and had DNA that was not consistent with the the players.
There is also a possibility the boys tried to get the women to leave and there was a struggle.
Tissue under the fingernails doesn't mean rape, especially since there is no DNA from semen anywhere.
I also think if Reade's 100% ID doesn't hold , the inconclusive DNA coupled with the 90% mustached guy surely isn't going to fly.
Dan Abrams today (5-11) was very disappointing. Just like in the beginning, I'm hoping they are just slow to react.
I'm sure, if not all, Most of you have heard of Doctor Jefferey McDonald (Fatal Vision)... There was DNA under his daughter's nails that did NOT match Jefferey McDonald or ANYONE in the family. DNA gets under nails - it happens, and it has happened casually.
The media is kind of accepting that this was Tissue under the nail - consistent with someone fighting off an attacker (I know Dr. Baden has said this) - If that is true how does anyone explain that ABSOLUTELY NO DNA was found under those same nails when tested by the SBI?
The first round of testing:
"Investigators found no DNA under the woman's remaining fingernails, or on those taken during the search of the rental house at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd."
http://www.newsobserver.com/145/story/427550.html
Either there was a major goof of monumental proportions, OR this is trace evidence easily passed through casual contact.
The Media is so accepting of all evidence implicating the players.
Did Dan Abrams say anything on his show today?
Excellent point--How did this DNA get past SBI?
Daryl LittleJohn (the Bouncer in N.Y.) .. His victim had DNA under her nails that did NOT match his. DNA from an unknown source.
Well, I'll give her credit for not already having 27 other guys DNA in her like Kobe's accuser.
Thanks!
Abrams was real disappointing. It took him awhile to come around at the beginning of the case also.
They rehashed the DNA report (in the Durham Herald Sun), but they seemed to attach more importance to it. A guest said it would be a tough road to Hoe to say that DNA got there from transference. Abrams and guests were talking like this was tissue from the 3rd suspect. Tissue usually indicates a victim may have scratched the person.
BUT, It's not clear that this is tissue found under the nail - and if it is - WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED IN THE FIRST ROUND OF TESTS when they said there was NO DNA on that Nail?
I think these media guys socialize, eat lunch together and sometimes fall prey to the BUZZ. They did NOT - NO ONE - on the show bring up how the first testing indicated there was no DNA found on those nails.
"Investigators found NO DNA under the woman's remaining fingernails, or on those taken during the search of the rental house at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd."
http://www.newsobserver.com/145/story/427550.html
"Investigators found NO DNA under the woman's remaining fingernails, or on those taken during the search of the rental house at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd."
I take it now that what the defense must have been saying then was that there was no such DNA that could be matched to any person (100%).
One would think that if there were sufficient material to conclude that it was human tissue, then there would be sufficient cells from which to extract enough DNA to make a 100% match or not, suggesting that it may not in fact be tissue but some other type of material containing DNA (saliva, e.g.)
"Well, I'll give her credit for not already having 27 other guys DNA in her like Kobe's accuser."
No credit is due her....I believe there was DNA, but not from the lacrosse players. That's why we all wonder what "jobs" she had before she went to their house, and did she "work" after she left the house but before the trip to the hospital.
I'll give an example that could definitely explain the DNA under her nails.
She sat on the floor in the bathroom and pressed down one the hard floor in order to snap the nails off. We know from the pictures, she was already missing some nails when she entered the house and some the polish was partially worn off 1 or 2.
If the condition of her nails with some already fallen off and some half-polished was bothering her.., IF she sat down on the floor or on the toilet and pressed down on the floor or on the sink to snap the remaining off, she could've gotten that DNA from the dirty Frat house bathroom.
The Search Warrant seizure list and the DA's comments also make me believe that an UNPOLISHED nail was recovered. An unpolished nail would indicate she was working on her nails.
The Search Warrant clearly states FIVE nails were recovered at the residence. The DA and investigators said that FOUR RED Polished nails were recovered, CONSISTENT with the Accuser's story. Well, I suspect the may be leaving out the INCONSISTENT portion - the certainly wouldn't bring it to our attention. If you parse what Nifong says...
when he says we recovered 4 red polished nails consistent with the accuser's story - that statement doesn't preclude another nail (unpolished) that is NOT consistent with her story. The Search Warrant better be accurate because they are challenged in Court. They are basic to all evidence gathering, if they are sloppy, it can be inferred the other evidence handling was sloppy. The Search warrant say FIVE nails were recovered.
I think you are exactly right... The fact a certified DNA lab that has put thousands of people away found no DNA... mitigates towards the fact that this was trace DNA and not tissures .. Trace DNA is transferred every day - all day.
Otherwise, if the State SBI is that far off and they were handling the Player's DNA to check for matches along with the samples from the Victim's belongings - then it can be argued that they contaminated evidence inadvertently by the inferior attention to Detail.
I still can't get over the fact that Kim gets into a nasty argument with the guys, announces "the show is over!" and storms off into the bathroom to put her clothes on and get ready to leave - and what does the AV do? She follows her into the bathroom and starts the time-consuming chore of applying and painting her nails!!
Is the AV retarded (seriously)? Kim (who says she got a 4.0 in high school and got into UNC) must have seen the AV as a complete dolt and an easy mark.
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