don't want to do Linux. Indeed, some of the commentary at the event related to Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) and its vulnerability when it comes to large business and government accounts because: Posted on 05/02/2006 5:49:36 AM PDT by ShadowAce
2008 will be a critical year for Apple, Microsoft, and the Linux contingent. If Apple can't significantly expand its presence by then in the PC market it is likely going to be finished with this segment. Its likely path in that case will be to focus more aggressively on the consumer electronics market it currently dominates.
I mentioned last week that I was planning to attend the Linspire-sponsored Linux Desktop Summit where the discussion would include reasons the folks who build PCs don't want to do Linux. Indeed, some of the commentary at the event related to Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) and its vulnerability when it comes to large business and government accounts because:
There was also a lot of discussion about what Linux should become, with some of the most interesting commentary coming from Geoffrey Moore, author of "Crossing the Chasm," who was right on in stating that Linux is going in the wrong direction with respect to the desktop.
There was little mention of the Mac OS at the conference, yet, given the success of Linux against Unix (the Mac OS has Unix at its core) you would think that platform might make a better first target for Linux than Windows would.
It was as fascinating to learn that Moore was an avid Linux supporter as it was to learn that he felt strongly it was on the wrong path for the desktop. He went into great detail as to how he felt that Microsoft was, like many of the large companies that hire him to consult, a dinosaur trying unsuccessfully to be fast moving and trendy again. He clearly felt that the company was vulnerable -- but not to Linux, considering what this system's desktop path seems to be.
Moore pointed out that things move slowly and that a good place to look for ideas for future products is among kids and young people -- and what they are currently using. Today kids are using devices like cell phones and iPods, often juggling several gadgets running at once. These devices are not all-in-ones, rather they're specialized to whatever the user wants to do. In short, they're nearly the opposite of what Windows currently is. What does that mean? It means Windows might be a poor model for future products. Future products probably won't be running on anything that looks like today's Windows.
All of this reminded me of the way in which Windows came about. Back in the 1980s, IBM's (NYSE: IBM) dominance was based on mainframes, and this firm was more powerful in its day than Microsoft is today. Companies like Fujitsu, Hitachi (NYSE: HIT) and Digital tried to make a better mainframe product than IBM. Digital even changed its name to "DEC" so it kind of looked like "IBM." Several firms actually attempted to steal IBM's proprietary technology so they could build competing products that they'd offer at lower prices.
Often people seem to think that just because they can sell something cheaper they have a major competitive advantage. For software, in particular, price is just one factor -- but it's often far from the most compelling.
As a result of focusing intently on price and IBM these folks fought over about 10 percent of the market. Some were successful in peripherals or emerging markets, but IBM actually remained dominant in mainframes.
In contrast, Microsoft, Dell (Nasdaq: DELL), and Hewlett-Packard (NYSE: HPQ) grew, not by making a better mainframe, but by helping to create and ride the next wave, personal computers. This was a wave Apple (Nasdaq: AAPL) started but couldn't ride itself. IBM couldn't move fast enough, often crippled its own products to protect existing revenue streams and recently exited the PC market after admitting it couldn't compete.
For the Linux set, focusing on Microsoft and Windows might mean those players will mirror the experiences of IBM's traditional competitors like Digital and face a similar end. To win, they need to focus not on where the market was, but where it is going, and they should do everything in their power to get there first even if that means finding a way to partner with Microsoft.
Shortly after the show last week I saw this post on the Groklaw Web site which advocates a boycott of Linux distributions and the hardware vendors who use them when FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) rules are not followed to the letter. This smacks of religious elitism -- and boycotts scare the hell out of hardware vendors, IT buyers, and consumers alike. As a result I have to wonder if it is even possible for Linux proponents to stop the infighting long enough to even think about the future, let alone get there first.
No one seems to talk much about Apple Leopard, the next version of the Mac OS. This is primarily because Apple, unlike Microsoft, is not talking about this next generation platform publicly. Based on comments by Apple chief Steve Jobs it was slated to roll out about the same time as Vista originally was, but if what I'm reading is right, it too has run into problems and won't show up until late 2007. This OS was largely modeled after what Vista was going to be. However, unlike Microsoft, Apple did not cut features to make the 2006 date, a date that Microsoft has now missed anyway. As result, Leopard may look a lot like what Vista was promised to be and, based on how Apple developed the iPod, it may also be capable of building a media center offering that works.
One of the interesting features expected to be included in Leopard is a true hardware virtualization layer, probably at least partially leveraging Intel's (Nasdaq: INTC) LG technology which should be nearly fully cooked by that time. Virtualization was supposed to be included in Windows Vista but it too slipped out of the product. As many have pointed out, virtualization could be a vastly more palatable way to gain Windows compatibility than Apple's Boot Camp now is.
One lesson that may come out of this is that removing a feature to make a deadline is a bad idea because there are dependencies that break -- and this breakage can dramatically reduce, if not eliminate, the time savings such a decision was expected to create. In addition, it makes the product look crippled -- and crippled products don't sell well. If the right people observe and learn this lesson it may result in better and timelier software products going forward from a lot of companies.
Despite all this, if this Leopard vs. Vista scenario plays out this will place the most competitive Mac OS in history -- on aggressively designed Intel based hardware -- against what may be the most competitively exposed Microsoft desktop OS since Windows Millennium Edition in the market, in the fourth quarter of 2007.
If Apple can't at least double its small share during this unique event it should abandon the Mac OS as a dead end, because this kind of opportunity will never come again.
If it does double share, which it could do by cutting a broad swath through the consumer market with a well designed media center-like product, it could dramatically change the market and remind the Linux folks that the desktop isn't about FOSS -- it's about selling the products consumers want to buy.
2008 will be a critical year for Apple, Microsoft, and the Linux contingent. If Apple can't significantly expand its presence by then in the PC market it is likely going to be finished with this segment. Its likely path in that case will be to focus more aggressively on the consumer electronics market it currently dominates.
If the Linux set can't get over its internal problems it will be bypassed, likely by something else that better blends proprietary and open source components into solutions that more accurately meet the emerging needs for appliance-like products real people want to buy. If Microsoft can't find a way to become agile and customer focused again it will clearly be on the long slow path that IBM blazed -- and that Sun is already reaching the end of.
There is potential for 2008 to be a year of change, both positive and negative, for Microsoft, Apple and Linux. This is history in the making for all three entities and we are getting a chance to witness it.
The outcome will have a great deal to do with the quality of the decisions all parties make this year. The first decision all should make is to focus unwaveringly on their customers -- if they can figure out who they really are. Of the three entities, the only one that appears to clearly understands this, so far, is Apple. 
Wow I thought better of you than to load some French O/S when prodded by Shadow dude and Flaming dude from hell. Oh well, probably won't work much better anyway, and some people must have more time than money.
When can I expect a retraction--or should this go into the Big List o'Lies?
Tried it in IE and that wanna-be browser IE. Both dead.
No, both statements were and in context. The first one refuted your statement-as-a-question claim that "Don't they have to give a copy to anyone who wants a copy?" No, they don't.
The second one was in response to your claim that ""I was pointing out that anyone in the world could get a "legal" copy of that source code once any single customer decides off the cuff to release it," Your modifications to Linux may be GPL, but you can claim the the code as a trade secret, releasing it only to your clients (IAW the GPL), the ones you have distributed it to, the ones who have signed an NDA. This is a contract on top of a license. Thus if one of your clients releases the code, you are not without legal recourse to get compensated for any damages that may have occured.
For actual modifications to the code of others, the same basic concept exists with the Mozilla and Sun licenses.
We can't know that. JimRob runs the site on a minimum budget, and has a co-located server.
Way #1: I believe JimRob is talented enough to take care of his own server, so could easily just download Red Hat, install and maintain it.
Way #2: His ISP provides the server and maintenance of the OS with a managed hosting package, so it hinges on whether the ISP bought support from Red Hat, which isn't necessarily the case, and has nothing to do with JimRob's intentions.
Correct that, tried it in Firefox and the wanna-be IE.
I never prodded him to download Mandriva. If I'm wrong, give me a post that shows different. Hint: it should be by ME, not you, and contain the words "download" and "Mandriva".
As I've asked before, please try to grasp basic facts before spouting
He's spent 3 weeks arguing a months-old statement that proves nothing, even if he was right, and he still clings to it as if the fate of the world rests on whether or not I said Concurrent was distributing RedHawk.
Let him wallow in his neurosis.
So instead of being honest and admitting you were wrong, you just dismiss the fact that he was right. You are by far the most dishonest poster on FR.
Hey! Me here!
I know so little about RPM-based distros that, although I'd heard of both of those, I didn't know if they'd be available to Mandriva.
Huh? Your sole goal in life seems to be to push Linux on here, even with your tagline and homepage.
I didn't say he was right. I said that the premise he was arguing would have proved nothing, even if he could have somehow proven that I said what he says I did, i.e, "even if he was right".
I assumed that you misread 189 and thought you were talking to GE, not me. Is that the case?
That's because you don't actually know me.
I never prodded dennisw into Mandriva or any other distro. I was asked questions about it and I provided answers.
Again--when can I expect your retraction?
"Again--when can I expect your retraction?"
The twelfth of Neveruary?
So FR is actually much less involved with Linux than was thought. Why am I not surprised.
Um, there were two possibilities, and that's just what they are...possibilities. I don't think AntiRepublicrat was representing either as fact, just as options that could be true.
But, you took the position most conducive to your point of view and ran with it, as you always do.
More obvious lies from the Flamer from hell, who insists he did nothing to assist with Mandriva, when the posts just above show him googling for it, posting intructions, even links to the French O/S. Guy just can't open his mouth without pushing Linux, lying, or both.
I really don't care, I don't have a problem the owners of this site and appreciate them allowing me to post. What I do have a problem with is the constant lies from the Linux pushers, which are always followed up by more lies. Cut out all the lying, and we might get along fine too. So long as you allow me to post facts, like the DNC and PRC commmitments to Linux without slinging insults, which appears to be impossible.
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