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To: toldyou; xoxoxox
I just read all the comments, too, posted by hugs and kisses, and the only clue I figured out was the one you mentioned in #1

Ok... how about #5... It was no coincidence that there was a prosititution ring being run by the cops about the same time the AV was taken by her much older "boyfriend" along with his buddies and "held against her will"... but yet no charges were filed or as it appears there was no investigation....

1,485 posted on 04/29/2006 7:51:55 PM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: darbymcgill
Ok... how about #5... It was no coincidence that there was a prosititution ring being run by the cops about the same time the AV was taken by her much older "boyfriend" along with his buddies and "held against her will"... but yet no charges were filed or as it appears there was no investigation....

Of course, if we wanted to go even further, we could mention that the officer who took the initial report in Creedmoor is now a police officer in Durham.

1,486 posted on 04/29/2006 7:57:02 PM PDT by Publius22
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To: darbymcgill; Publius22

You guys are good! I didn't think of connecting all of that together....prostitution ring, Creedmoor, no report... now a police officer.


Do you know who this guy is? Does it mean anything? Kisses and hugs posted it.


MANGUM, BRIAN, SCOTT
Date Confined Date Released Statute Description Bond Type Bond Amount
4/16/2006 [incarcerated] MISDEMEANOR PROBATION VIOL SECURED $20,000.00


1,489 posted on 04/29/2006 8:16:23 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: darbymcgill
Ok... how about #5... It was no coincidence that there was a prosititution ring being run by the cops about the same time the AV was taken by her much older "boyfriend" along with his buddies and "held against her will"... but yet no charges were filed or as it appears there was no investigation....

Yes that's an interesting point.

Let's say the father is not lying when he remembers the police being present when he gets his daughter on that day in 1993. I wonder if the father remembers the police officer as being from Durham or Creedmoor? Could it be her 21-year-old "boyfriend" who she said beat her and let two of his "boys" have their way with her also had some "boys" in the police department? Was the 1993 boyfriend involved in the pimping/prostitution/pornography business? Were his "boys" in the police department involved in the police prostitution scandal? If there was no police report in 1993 and she did in fact fear for her life if she said anything about it, then perhaps there was a connection to the police. But then why would she feel more free in 1996, at the prompting of her then-fiance, to go to the police and name names? Perhaps the corrupt police officer (if there was one) was no longer on the force?

Does the AV today have a "client" who is on the police force? Remember, the police, not the DA, conducted the investigation here and they seem to have a real animus toward Duke students or at least the guys living in this house. That might explain the ridiculous nature of the police investigation in which their evidence-gathering consisted of trying to best support her story and showing no interest in evidence that would contradict it.

Who knows, but all this is probably worthwhile speculation.

Overall, however, there is not a lot of "mystery" left in this case, at least for those who are not grasping at ridiculous theories, like the one that has her arriving instead of leaving in the 12:41 photo.

I would like to know the details of the SANE examination. How demonstrative are the injuries of forcible rape? Or are they really just "pain and swelling," perhaps not completely unexpected for an active prostitute and one who perhaps uses sex toys in her activities? If in fact the injuries are strong evidence of forcible rape, then that does leave the question of who in fact raped her and when did that occur.

I would like to know if there was a tox screen and what that showed. Even if a date rape drug is found in her fluids, that may not mean very much here. She could have taken it herself for a buzz, her boyfriend could have given it to her to relax her, Kim could have given it to her in order to rob her, or, indeed a lacrosse guy could have slipped it in her drink merely for a sick sort of kicks and having nothing to do with rape.

I would like to know what exactly happened on the back porch from the time the AV stumbled down the steps at 12:32 until 12:41. Was she pushed down the steps or did she fall of her own accord? How long was she laying on the ground? What were the boys doing during this time?

But overall, the picture of what in general happened is not hard to piece together. What's left is how the legal and political pieces play out, and whether justice will be served.

1,494 posted on 04/29/2006 8:24:40 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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