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Lacrosse players face old charges (Nifong retaliates against Duke Lax)
News & Observer ^ | April 25, 2006 | Benjamin Niolet and Joseph Neff

Posted on 04/25/2006 2:34:48 AM PDT by abb

DURHAM - District Attorney Mike Nifong plans to reinstate misdemeanor charges against a half-dozen Duke lacrosse players, saying a March 13 party where a woman reported a rape broke the deals that the players made with prosecutors.

Nifong's decision could affect players who, before the party, had entered agreements in which prosecutors would dismiss the cases if the players performed community service and stayed out of trouble for six months or a year. Among the first to have his charges reinstated was David Evans, one of the team captains who lived at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd., the site of the party in which lacrosse players hired two women from escort services to dance. One of the women told police that she was raped by three men in a bathroom.

Two players, Collin Finnerty, 19, and Reade William Seligmann, 20, were charged last week with first-degree rape, first-degree sex offense and first-degree kidnapping. Their attorneys say the men are innocent.

On Monday, an attorney for Seligmann filed a motion seeking information that would help attack the credibility of the woman, the only person, according to the defense filing, who says a rape occurred. The motion seeks information about the woman, including criminal charges, mental and emotional problems the woman has suffered as well as social services, probation, child protective services and victim's advocacy records.

Today, Finnerty is due in a Washington court where prosecutors in an assault charge are considering whether to revoke a deferred prosecution agreement similar to those affecting other players in Durham.

According to court records, 16 players were charged in the past three years with misdemeanor charges in Durham including noise violations, public urination and alcohol violations. The deals placed the men on probation for either six months or a year.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsobserver.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax; moronicda; nifong; vengefulidiot
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To: Howlin; Dukie07

I think BSM turned out to be a red herring. Someone linked to a sight that included the names of CM's immediate family and no brother was listed.


1,161 posted on 04/26/2006 8:39:27 PM PDT by Publius22
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To: TexKat

Here's what I hear on the Durham police radio transmission tape.

It seems to be from only one of the officers' radios, so to have the complete conversation we would need to have the transmissions from the other officers




Starting Date Tuesday March 14, 2006 at 12:58:07 AM: [radio static]

12:58:10 AM “I’m at the address, it’s half a block down from where you are”

12:58:19 AM “I’m standing right here on the sidewalk, actually on Buchanan, at uh, 610, right now”

12:58:28 AM “…walk up there and walk down, but these kids -- they’ve already left”

12:58:39 AM [radio static]

12:58:43 AM “610, uh, Buchanan, but there’s nobody here, and they’ve all already left”

12:58:52 AM “Sent two of the units out with an [original?] walk and talk, to see if anyone’s home”

12:33:55 AM “She -- she’s breathing apparently fine, she’s not in distress, she’s just passed out drunk “

2:12:08 AM “Uh, um, yeah call and see if you can’t get somebody to go up to the home free to rap out there and check on some of the young ‘uns”

2:37:07 AM “She’s uh, on the way to prison now, and they’re going to get a SANE nurse and scrub a report, and that, uh you know see where we are, once uh…” [different voice:] “Allright, caught up...303” [original voice:] “That’s your topic, [incomprehensible]”

2:39:03 AM “Uh the one that we talked to at the Kroger – you knew her?” [a different voice:] “Quite possibly … [incomprehensible]”

Ending Date Tuesday March 14, 2006 at 2:39:15


1,162 posted on 04/26/2006 8:39:28 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Howlin

Anymore information on the BSM that was incarcerated 4/16?

What?
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See post 853. It is from kisses and hugs. Check the last link as it says under M. A male Mangum had his probation revoked April 16 or something.


1,163 posted on 04/26/2006 8:40:03 PM PDT by JLS
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To: darbymcgill
Consistent with Kim calling 911 at 12:53

Right after she herself admits that she yelled at them "I called the police on your dumbasses."

1,164 posted on 04/26/2006 8:41:20 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: abb

The DA is busy man.


1,165 posted on 04/26/2006 8:43:27 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Ken H

And Freda said she's never heard of charges being reinstated like that.

What is going to be interesting is watching Nifong after he loses.


1,166 posted on 04/26/2006 8:44:12 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
2:39:03 AM “Uh the one that we talked to at the Kroger – you knew her?” [a different voice:] “Quite possibly … [incomprehensible]”

Listen to this again. It sounds to me like the cop is asking if the girl he talked to at Kroger (Kim) knew her (CM). I didn't hear the "you"...but I could be wrong.

1,167 posted on 04/26/2006 8:44:55 PM PDT by Publius22
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To: Howlin
Any idea when the court will rule on the defense motion to obtain the DA's files?

Also, is the judge on the case a decent judge, hopefully in the mold of Sanders Sauls?

1,168 posted on 04/26/2006 8:49:13 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Howlin

If (or should I say "when"?) Nifong loses on Tuesday, when does the winner take office?


1,169 posted on 04/26/2006 8:52:58 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody!)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

<< 2:12:08 AM “Uh, um, yeah call and see if you can’t get somebody to go up to the home free to rap out there and check on some of the young ‘uns” >>

Actually now I think it says "...up to the home [something spliced out] street to rap out there and"

So I think they deleted the AV's street address before publicly releasing this tape


1,170 posted on 04/26/2006 8:57:37 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Publius22

He may be swallowing the word "you" but I still think from his tone he's addressing the other cop, and asking the other cop if he knew her (meaning Kim, probably) and the other cop is saying "quite possibly"


1,171 posted on 04/26/2006 9:01:29 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: onyx

If (or should I say "when"?) Nifong loses on Tuesday, when does the winner take office?
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After the general election is certified:

"Certificates of Election Thursday, 11/23/06"

http://www.co.durham.nc.us/departments/cannonball.cfm?ID=2&deptPage=2006_Election_Schedule.cfm

Although as a temporary appointee, Nifong could resign and let the governor appoint the winner to fill out the term. Does he sound like that kind of a guy to you?


1,172 posted on 04/26/2006 9:03:04 PM PDT by JLS
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

It's on the to Duke, instead of Prison.

2:37:07 AM “She’s uh, on the way to prison now, and they’re going to get a SANE nurse and scrub a report, and that, uh you know see where we are, once uh…” [different voice:] “Allright, caught up...303” [original voice:] “That’s your topic, [incomprehensible]”



2:37:07 AM “She’s uh, on the way to Duke now, and they’re going to get a SANE nurse and scrub a report, and that, uh you know see where we are, once uh…” [different voice:] “Allright, caught up...303” [original voice:] “That’s your job, Big Daddy


1,173 posted on 04/26/2006 9:03:13 PM PDT by za_claws
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Actually now I think it says "...up to the home [something spliced out] street to rap out there and"

I think he clearly says the street name (it's already been deleted once today, so I won't post it again) but doesn't give a number.

He also says "ride out there and.."

1,174 posted on 04/26/2006 9:06:01 PM PDT by Publius22
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
12:58:10 AM “I’m at the address, it’s half a block down from where you are”

"I'm in the ALLEY, about half a block down from where you are.

12:58:52 AM “Sent two of the units out with an [original?] walk and talk, to see if anyone’s home”

"Sent two of the unites out and we'll do a little KNOCK and talk and see who's home."

****This tape is pieced together. This is a second call, maybe not by the same officers.

12:33:55 AM “She -- she’s breathing apparently fine, she’s not in distress, she’s just passed out drunk “

1:33:55 AM

2:12:08 AM “Uh, um, yeah call and see if you can’t get somebody to go up to the home free to rap out there and check on some of the young ‘uns”

"...and see if you can't get somebody close to Charles Street to go by there and check on them younuns."

12:33:55 AM “She -- she’s breathing apparently fine, she’s not in distress, she’s just passed out drunk “

"...she's breathing and appears to be fine..."

2:37:07 AM “She’s uh, on the way to prison now, and they’re going to get a SANE nurse and scrub a report, and that, uh you know see where we are, once uh…” [different voice:] “Allright, caught up...303” [original voice:] “That’s your topic, [incomprehensible]”

"She's on here way to Duke now...

"...get a SANE nurse and start the report and I'll let you know where we are at that point."

2:39:03 AM “Uh the one that we talked to at the Kroger – you knew her?” [a different voice:] “Quite possibly … [incomprehensible]”

..." the one that we talked to at the Kroger knew her? (Second voice) Quite possibly... (And I think he says "They worked together, but I"m not positive.)

1,175 posted on 04/26/2006 9:07:21 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: za_claws

<< It's on the to Duke, instead of Prison >>

Yes, listening to it now I think they spliced out words here - immediately after Duke, which is why it sounds weird.

Perhaps he said Duke Hospital or Duke Emergency Room or something like that.

The splicing might be out of concerns under HIPAA -- they may be concerned not to publicy release the fact that an individual has been admitted to a hospital, as possibly running afoul of HIPAA


1,176 posted on 04/26/2006 9:12:02 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn; Publius22
12:58:52 AM “Sent two of the units out with an...

Does it sound like he is saying "Send two OTHER units out..."

1,177 posted on 04/26/2006 9:14:23 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
SJB, you've made some great posts on these threads, but it's obvious you're logic works better than your ears.... or your speakers...

this is fun.... 20 people listening to the same recordings and hearing 20 different things...

i heard the street name

i heard going to duke

i heard the girl at kroger's knows her...

but I got old ears....

1,178 posted on 04/26/2006 9:16:24 PM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: darbymcgill
.... 20 people listening to the same recordings and hearing 20 different things...

Think how much fun I have. This is my job all the time! :-)

1,179 posted on 04/26/2006 9:17:35 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: darbymcgill

I think SJB, may not be able to understand "Good Ole Boy" Speak


1,180 posted on 04/26/2006 9:19:13 PM PDT by za_claws
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