Posted on 04/23/2006 9:46:36 AM PDT by VRWCer
LOL................ I guess they should have given the police photographer their best Tom Delay smile, then they would have looked like great guys.
;-)
I don't think that either side is credible in this case, but I'm more willing to believe the accused until stated otherwise. Accusing someone of rape still carries some pretty hefty baggage in this society.
once again proving we're in that day Jesus told us about...
So by trying to plug a hole, this theory only creates others.
And if we're going to go according to physical appearances, the accused also wouldn't get high marks in that area. If I were a guy and she got sent to me, I'd refuse to let her in. She (as well as the 2nd stripper) look like skanky, hard-bitten hustlers that are nothing but trouble.
Why??? Because I'm not willing to bend over backwards when some frat guys get themselves in trouble.
You have no facts about this case, just a fierce hate of fraternities, which by the way has nothing to do with this case. It's about a Lacrosse team, and two strippers with arrest records that accused members of the team of rape.
How do you know the team members are the rapists? Based on what? The word of two whores?
It's a time honored way of meeting guys.. unfortunately, not a very good one, but I'm open to all methods. I also sometimes like to go with my gals to listen to music or perhaps just get a beer and unwind after work. I don't think that I (or any woman) should have a Scarlett Letter pinned on me because I like to bar-hop occasionally on the weekends.
[I'm reminded of a group of college feminists who took a bunch of random photos of male students and made a big poster saying "These men may be rapists".
They would certainly have been very upset had their photos been circulated with the headline "These women may falsely accuse you of rape and attempt to ruin your life for any reason or no reason at all"]
Excellent post.
If she's at home, that'll work fine. But I don't know how you would know if she's away at school until it's too late. Frankly, the best way (it's the way that my parents used with me) is to teach kids how to drink responsibly and how to protect themselves at college. IMO, the girls who get themselves into trouble in college are the naive, good girls, whose parents just tell them don't drink because I said so and don't provide any sort of guidance or leeway.
While I agree (to a degree) that power and entitlement have something to do with rape, I disagree with you about it being a phenomenon of rich popular guys.
FBI crime statistics disagree with you too.
At the core, a rapist is somebody who feels entitled to obtaining sex from a woman, without needing her consent, in a similar way that a robber feels entitled to someone else's money without the robbed person's consent. In both cases, violent stranger rape and violent robbery is disproportionately committed by men on the bottom rungs of the status ladder
There are boys from wealthy families who feel themselves entitled to sex, just as there are boys from wealthy families who have no problems committing embezzlement or other white collar crimes when what they earn is not equal to what they think themselves entitled to. (And the 25K embezzlement conviction of the other dancer detailed on a previous thread indicates that white collar crime is not restricted to those from wealthy backgrounds)
Also, just because somebody is in a fraternity does not mean that they are from rich or privileged backgrounds. I was in a frat back in college, with my gross family income being in the bottom 20%. (Granted, the frat bore a higher resemblance to Animal House than Skull and Bones...)
"If a girl gets drunk at a party and then gets behind the wheel of a car, she is still fully liable for the consequences. In fact, she is MORE liable by virtue of the fact that she allowed herself to become impaired."
Actually, not only would the woman be arrested, but also whoever was in charge of the party would be liable. At all the parties that I went to in college, they had a "key bag" by the door and designated driver to take people home. They also had someone by the keg at all times and wouldn't serve anyone who was drunk.
"If a guy and a woman get equally drunk at a party, and decide that having sex is a good idea, the woman is completely absolved from having given consent because she was drunk, yet the guy's being equally drunk in no way reduces his liability for his actions. So he goes to jail for being too drunk to be able to decide whether she was too drunk to be able to give informed consent."
Most situations that I heard of in college involving alcohol and rape accusations (and my best friend was involved with a group against sexual violence) involve either A. a date rape drug or B. a girl passing out and a guy taking advantage of her. Both situations definitely constitute rape.
"I have a simpler policy: don't get drunk, and don't get stoned. And don't hang out with people who do."
How about learn how to drink responsibly and know your limits. The whole issue is that there are too many extremely naive and sheltered girls (and guys) attending colleges and there easy targets for older students with less than honorable intentions.
She's residential at the college, but it's close enough that I could make her commute if needed. And I make her come home on the weekends, which avoids a lot
Oh, I think that in this case it was a fairly violent assault that started because of an argument over money. However, most of the rapes in college are date rapes fueled by alcohol and sometimes date rape drugs.
A comparison between this story and the balanced and coherent story in Newsweek suggests to me that these reporters and their editors should be fired.
Considering that there was already an investigation of the lacrosse team, I don't think that they come up looking that sweet and innocent. Frankly, Duke University officials thought enough of the accusations (on top of other violations) to suspend the entire season of a #2 ranked team in the country and for the coach to resign. It seems to me like these boys were way out of control and nobody could reign them in.
BTW, calling someone a whore just because they're working as a stripper is poor form. If we want to get into it, perhaps all the guys who go to strip clubs, Hooters, etc. should be called man-whores.
No, there was not.
If you think so, provide the link.
I put up a post very similar to this one a few days ago.
I thought all along that the suggestion that Aruba must be filled with corrupt and incompetent law enforcement if they didn't quickly solve the case like the well-oiled American criminal justice machine ~always~ does....an arrogant and stupid notion that our fellow Americans enjoyed time after time.
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