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Is this clown serious? He was making statements to the media weeks ago that he was "sure" that a rape was committed. Now we learn he did this knowing full well that alleged victim Crystal Gail Mangum was unable to pick ANY of the three player's photos out of a picture lineup?

NOW he says (at a town meeting down at the black college, pandering for votes) the fact she was able to pick ONE picture out of a photo lineup three weeks later (this is AFTER the whole teams photos along with their names were published in the Raleigh News and Observer)is evidence that helps HER. The kids she accused are the same ones who hired her for the party and she was looking at them the entire time she was at the house (when she wasn't flat on her face passed out drunk). Is it so surprising that she could pick one of them out of a photo lineup? What the heck does that prove?

The fact that she couldn't identify them earlier is actually evidence of just how drunk/high she was that night and how unreliable she is as a witness.

1 posted on 04/11/2006 8:28:34 PM PDT by Asceticon
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I wonder what the state bar ethics rules are about pursuing a case in the absence of evidence, or in the presence of extenuating evidence, and what the rules are about providing pictures of people to her to help her memory.

Witness tampering? Nah, a prosecutor would never coach a witness just to bump up his win percentage, would he?


2 posted on 04/11/2006 8:32:35 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (You don't drive a car looking through the rear view mirror, but you do practice politics that way.)
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Hmm. She knows that one guy on the team is, in fact, on the team.

If I were that boy, I'd be thinking about defamation suits right about now, not rape trials.


3 posted on 04/11/2006 8:32:52 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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Obviously a graduate of the Ronnie Earle Acme District Attorney School.


6 posted on 04/11/2006 8:35:56 PM PDT by JennysCool (Liberals don't care what you do, as long as it's mandatory.)
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It will be interesting to see if she now suddenly also "identifies" the two guys who live in the house and whose DNA is on the towel in the bathroom (of course, one of them could be the one she has already claimed to identify). Their pictures are of course on the "wanted" posters of the lacrosse team circulating around town.

Also, I'll point out that other posters have noted from news reports that the second stripper, Kim, said Mangum never mentioned anything about a rape to her. So it would appear the prosecutor does not have much evidence supporting his case from Kim, and the idea that the two of them are colluding to support the rape allegation seems unlikely.


7 posted on 04/11/2006 8:37:17 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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The fact that she couldn't identify them earlier is actually evidence of just how drunk/high she was that night and how unreliable she is as a witness.

Is rape of a drunk woman something other than rape? I'm not sure what your point is.

8 posted on 04/11/2006 8:37:27 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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Pingaroo!


9 posted on 04/11/2006 8:37:33 PM PDT by JennysCool (Liberals don't care what you do, as long as it's mandatory.)
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Was the one she identified at the party?


10 posted on 04/11/2006 8:39:11 PM PDT by AntiGuv (The 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT!)
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Is this the same D.A. who 2 weeks ago was bellowing about a Clinton-style semen-spewing gangrape of a poor black girl by white boys? And now it comes out that there's not a trace of DNA evidence anywhere near this stripper that implicated the team members? Is this the same dirty rat who's running for re-election by playing the race card?


13 posted on 04/11/2006 8:43:01 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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In the 80s there was Tawanna Brawley.

In the 90s, there were those black church burnings that were NOT caused by white people.

This decade we can easily do a search on the internet and find the multitude of phony hate crimes that never turned out to be anything but what I call AFFIRMATIVE FICTION!!!

Now, we have the local DA (who I hear is up for re-election) preaching to a nearby black college telling the rabid crowd he is still going ahead with the case... Where is Susan Powter to "Stop The Madness!" when we need her? (I know, obscure 90s reference...)

20 posted on 04/11/2006 8:46:27 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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Only in the NY Times!! Is this guy kidding? I'm sorry for repeating..but..

I have a few questions. Where is "Kim"? If the accuser was passed out on the lawn as the pictures purportedly show--who made the rape claim and when? Was it Kim, was it the boyfriend, or did the accuser sober up and suddenly remember? Did Kim witness anything? Or did she wait outside for a half hour making 911 calls? What was the alcohol level of the accuser? Could she ever be a reliable witness given her DUI's and rap sheet? After the second 911 call to Kroger's did the accuser ask to be taken to the hospital? Was an ambulance called since she had so many cuts and bruises? Did the police send her off with the boyfriend? Wouldn't that be odd if she'd claimed rape right away?

26 posted on 04/11/2006 8:51:25 PM PDT by Neverforget01 (Only in New Jersey!)
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To paraphrase an old Kristoffersen tune:

''Another dumbshjt D.A. goin' down''

60 posted on 04/11/2006 9:21:33 PM PDT by SAJ
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The Durham County district attorney said today that the woman who accused three Duke lacrosse players of raping her at an off-campus party last month had identified at least one of them in a photo montage last week...........

Took that long for the credit reports to come back.

If they've identified someone why isn't that guy in jail?

119 posted on 04/11/2006 10:06:46 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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This guy must be leaking water badly. He's already into the 'DID NOT! DID SO!' strategy.


146 posted on 04/11/2006 10:48:19 PM PDT by relictele
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WHERE'S KIM?


157 posted on 04/12/2006 3:07:32 AM PDT by anton
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This is a clear case of "refreshed menory" a la Janet Reno.


160 posted on 04/12/2006 4:52:39 AM PDT by libstripper
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Somebody needs to arrest this clown, Nifong, and try him for molesting the public.What an A@@!

I hope every one of those boys sues the hell out of everyone involved in this sordid mess. It's a shakedown gone bad, and
that single mom/stripper thing is particularly obscene. NOW is taking her part, and demonizing the boys. I hope to heaven that this stink lasts for a hundred yrs. and the stench of it stays on these shameless whores forever.
163 posted on 04/12/2006 5:20:38 AM PDT by ishabibble (UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL)
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Here's the scenario that I'm guessing.... she goes to this party and then leaves. Her pimp beats her up and rapes her (is it rape if it's your pimp?) and sends her back to get those rich white boys. That's when she shows up at the door grinning and high. They let her in (what were they thinking?) she goes into the bathroom and pulls off a few of her fake nails. Hey three of mine popped off while I was watching law and order last night. I saw a female prosecutor on O'Reily last night screaming about "she lost her fingernails fighting them off." Oh pullleeze.


164 posted on 04/12/2006 6:24:12 AM PDT by Mercat
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I'm wondering what the response from Duke University would have been had the accused been a member of their Men's Basketball team? Do you think that there would have been such a rush to judgment?


224 posted on 04/12/2006 9:25:26 AM PDT by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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I was switching back and forth between MSNBC and FoxNews yesterday, but did anyone hear them say that the accuser claims that when she walked into the house, one of the guys asked her if she brought any sex toys. When she said no, one of the guys said, "Then we'll just have to use a broom."

After that, a guest prosecutor said that it explains the fact that there wasn't any DNA from the guys and that the investigators are now looking for the broom.

They didn't say if the accuser made this statement at the beginning. Certainly, if she said this after the DNA results came in, she's making it up as she goes along.

Also, there's a woman "former prosecutor" guest on Fox every night who keeps insisting that the DNA found on the towels in the guys' bathroom is semen. She says it explains a rape took place. I think that when they revealed there was DNA (could have been hair, etc.) on the towels, this woman took it upon herself to spread the rumor, on national TV, that it is semen.

My opinion? The accuser, Mangum, is lying.


229 posted on 04/12/2006 9:54:50 AM PDT by toldyou
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the ONE kid is probably the one with the most money to go after.


235 posted on 04/12/2006 10:49:44 AM PDT by jw777
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