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Duke comparisons to Tawana Brawley; Accuser doesn't remember ANY details for 31 hours.
AP ^ | 04/07/06 | Allen G. Breed

Posted on 04/07/2006 10:33:20 PM PDT by OakOak

Accuser's Criminal Record. Another web-site said that her license has been suspended 3 times Also.

Joe Cheshire, who represents co-captain Dave Evans, told reporters he is certain the call was made by the SECOND DANCER, whose identity has not yet surfaced publicly. The caller alternatively told a police dispatcher the pair were driving and walking past the house.

My comments: This is something I believed from day one and it can be demonstrated by using the police report (2 min response to first 911 call) and the neighbor's statement.

It's also fishy that police said today that it took the accuser 31 hours to remember ANY details of the incident. That article is here: http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/426021.html

NOTE: There are two separate articles, the N&O link above is the story on the 31 hour time period for details.


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KEYWORDS: accuser; crystalmagnum; dancer; duke; dukeu; lacrosse; rape; victim
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To: Locomotive Breath

Yeah, right. Like these choir boys were just minding their own business.


102 posted on 04/08/2006 8:13:50 AM PDT by texianyankee
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To: Jeannie Nelson

I see a DOB of 12-18-1980. by coincidence, there is also a Christi Mangum woth a DOB of 12/31/1980. Hmmmmmm.


103 posted on 04/08/2006 8:28:18 AM PDT by anton
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To: anton

Check this link out:

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:M267EQBJPGsJ:www.xanga.com/I_Love_YoOh_06++%22crystal+mangum%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4


104 posted on 04/08/2006 8:44:00 AM PDT by anton
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To: anton

Her date of birth is July 16, 1978 and her name is Crystal Gail Mangum. She has 2 felony charges in the past plus numerous misdemeanors.


105 posted on 04/08/2006 8:47:26 AM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: eastforker

Yea, I see that. I was confused by the earlier posts.


106 posted on 04/08/2006 8:54:18 AM PDT by anton
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To: OakOak
So here's an interesting data point:

C. E. Jordan High School in Durham has two players, "Dan" and "Bill", on the roster with the name of "Nifong"

Link

Here is the official bio of DA Mike Nifong

Link

So it's not DA Mike Nifong's two sons. If you do a google on "Dan Nifong" & "Mike Nifong" you'll get this dead link from Durham's Duke Memorial Methodist Church

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[PDF] March 16.pub
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Dan Nifong, Jonathan ... Mike Nifong (Tim’s brother). Guy Nirenberg (Helen Fink’s son). Elizabeth Overman (Jim & Sharon Allen’s niece) ...
www.dukememorial.org/newsletter/March16.pdf - Supplemental Result - Similar pages
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(Does anyone know how to get that document off a cache somewhere?)

There is a Tim Nifong who is also a lawyer

Link

and involved in Durham

Link

Crest Street is a Durham neighborhood

Link

There was ten years ago a "Tim D. Nifong" who was a North Carolina Assistant Attorney General.

Link

Based on this
1) we cannot say that the Mike Nifong listed in the Newsletter of the Duke Memorial Methodist Church in Durham is the DA of the same name in Durham,
2) we cannot say that the Tim Nifong listed in the Newsletter of Duke Memorial Methodist Church in Durham is the lawyer of the same name who apparently practices in and around Durham,
3) we cannot say that the Dan Nifong listed in the Newsletter of Duke Memorial Methodist Church in Durham is the player of the same name for Jordan High School in Durham.
4) we cannot say that the Dan Nifong listed in the Newsletter of Duke Memorial Methodist Church in Durham is related to any "Tim Nifong" or any "Mike Nifong"

What we can say is that for the last month, it must have been challenging to be a lax player in Durham with the name of Nifong.

107 posted on 04/08/2006 9:09:10 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: Certain_Doom

I know what I heard , thats why I asked if it was confirmed. I went and looked myself if I could find out the information. All I found was 2 players can not be located. Where they are I havnt a clue , do you? I still say the samething I have always said. Where theres so much drinking things are going to happen. I think this girl must not be too smart. Why she would go with only another girl and no body guard to a house filled with drinking guys is beyond me. If she lied about all this then she has to be charged. If she didnt and was raped then the guys have to be charged. Theres alot more to this story as so many of you have pointed out. Thanks so much for the info.


108 posted on 04/08/2006 10:04:18 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: eastforker

Thanks Man! EastForker is great!


There's so much misinformation. Someone in grad school at Duke (or a former student) this woman went on all the shows probably 8 days ago or so, she did Radio interviews and wrote letters to newspapers (and, of course, they were published)..They ate up her story.

She said that (during the investigation, post-event), she went out to a local Pizza place and the lacrosse team was in there and they were drinking beer and doing toasts to the Lacrosse. This woman found it in extremely bad taste and she wrote that band of males were out-of-control and something needed to be done by the Duke Administration. Just one problem, it never happened. The team was pisxed I understand and it was another person/group that were trying to use the situation to their own benefit.

There's so much bad information out there. I not saying those guys don't have parties off-campus and drink a lot and get loud. No one is saying that .. but, it's been exaggerated so badly. And I found an article that listed the Duke teams and the lacrosse team has the highest Graduation rate of any of their sports teams. If they were doing all the stuff attributed to them they wouldn't be eligible to play or getting the grades they do.

Again, Crystal Mangum did much worse (attempted murder) when she tried to run over the policemen, but no one is asking why she didn't get suspended or how she is reflecting poorly on the Neighborhood and the University.

REMEMBER, the DUKE party was OFF-CAMPUS. The students would have far less rights (with regard to School discipline) in they lived ON-Campus.

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109 posted on 04/08/2006 10:15:48 AM PDT by OakOak
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To: All

I told you guys Durham was crazy, it's not like your cities. The people running Durham love this race stuff. It's their career.

Check this out, NOW they want to look into DUKE students feeling their school is better!!!:

"There's a definitely a feeling in the Duke community that N.C. Central is the lesser institution, and I've heard Duke students make that statement," said Howard Clement, a Durham councilman for 23 years. "I don't think that's something we should ignore."

These people make Cynthia McKinney look reasonable. See why the DA felt he had to do something, even without a credible
complaintant, even with al the consistencies.

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110 posted on 04/08/2006 10:32:49 AM PDT by OakOak
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To: anton

The 78 DOB makes sense. Some articles say she's 28 and a couple say she's 27.

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111 posted on 04/08/2006 10:34:37 AM PDT by OakOak
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To: OakOak

There is another girl in NC with same first and last name but different middle name who is 28 and who has a very heavy foot but she is in another part of the state.


112 posted on 04/08/2006 10:36:53 AM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: eastforker

She has 3 license suspensions doesn't she (don't go back, from memory only)

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113 posted on 04/08/2006 10:38:04 AM PDT by OakOak
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To: OakOak

Not sure, I have slept since then.


114 posted on 04/08/2006 10:40:21 AM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: eastforker

Don't worry about it. Not important.

I asked you a question on the other thread.. Do you still think that the poss/usage Pot in 2005 was valid.

I saw some of your posts over there and before I pass that on and I just wanted to make sure that you didn't find some reason to doubt that earlier info. You said it was from her Probation record.

Thanks !!


115 posted on 04/08/2006 10:43:35 AM PDT by OakOak
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To: All

BIG NEWS!!!!

Check this out
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1611581/posts

If true, my theory was right all along!


116 posted on 04/08/2006 11:22:30 AM PDT by OakOak
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To: OakOak

Eastforker was exactly right on. I've got her info now, every detail. She is definitely the July 16, 1978 choice and she is also known as Crstal Gail Mangum and Crystal Gail Mangum. Her Offense date was June 21, 2002 on those things that have been discussed here, in Durham County NC and she was sentenced on May 8, 2003. The charges were Larceny, DWI, Speeding/Eluding, and Assault on a PO.


117 posted on 04/08/2006 12:18:19 PM PDT by anton
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To: anton

The sick thing is the entire time (or almost the entire time) the media was calling for more action to be taken against the team and printing their pictures and slandering them - they KNEW this woman's record. I was told, by a media person, she had a criminal record, but he wouldn't go into detail.

That was 2 weeks ago.


118 posted on 04/08/2006 2:21:24 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: pandoraou812
I cant pass judgement on her past. What does that have to do with this night? I dont care what she did before,

Willfully blinding yourself to facts which reflect on the case is a CLEAR SIGN of an agenda on your part.

119 posted on 04/08/2006 2:30:51 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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To: OakOak
The best case scenario for the media is that 3 of these 46 boys are guilty. That didn't keep them from slandering the entire team, showing their names and faces, and printing rumor, hearsay and innuendo about their habits and behaviors in the most vicious stereotyping I've ever seen.
120 posted on 04/08/2006 3:15:13 PM PDT by anton
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