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American Idol 2006--Live Thread (Part II)
FOX ^ | 3-25-06

Posted on 03/24/2006 9:00:43 PM PST by silent_jonny

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To: misterrob

I found it interesting that they focused on Chris's wife immediately after Paris was sent back. Probably a good production shot on the fly but could have also been "scripted". I'd be willing to bet that Chris does not grace the bottom three again. Remember that Reuben and Bo were in the bottom three and made it to the finals. There might have been others I'm not sure...


7,401 posted on 04/20/2006 12:51:13 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: misterrob
Chris was certainly a plausible bottom 3 base on the DI figures but.....

Oh I understand, someone else should have been there all right! I've read a lot of articles and it was pointed out in one that while Chris did a good job it wasn't great and it didn't stand the night, others were better.

It was also suggested that his fans didn't like it so didn't vote. I doubt they are that fickle and surely they must know that he had to follow guidelines. I think his being in the bottom three was merely bad luck. Whose to say who might have been in that bottom three if the lines were open longer. Somebody was falling further and further as the night went on. ;)

7,402 posted on 04/20/2006 12:56:06 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: Wyatt's Torch

I mean, who are they kidding that Ace and Chris could be that close in the voting?

They are looking for cheap drama is all. They told Paris that she was safe but not that she wasn't in the bottom 2. I suspect that she is getting a bit of a push given her family's connection to Randy as well as her huge upside.


7,403 posted on 04/20/2006 12:56:33 PM PDT by misterrob (Teach a Liberal to think for himself and he'll vote Conservative for the rest of his life.)
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To: Netizen
But, it would be nice to know if they have to choose from a list.

I don't know when they make their song selections, but it's early in the week -- like maybe today or tomorrow for next week.

They are given a list of songs AI has acquired rights to for that week. No idea how extensive the list is -- whether it's 20 songs or 100 -- but I think they all get the same list and then make their own song selections.

Someone up the thread said that 'Love Songs' favors the same people that the standards favored this week. In fact, many love songs ARE standards, so I agree.

7,404 posted on 04/20/2006 12:56:58 PM PDT by Wolfstar (As long as I have you, though there be rain and darkness too, I'll not complain, I'll see it through)
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To: Wyatt's Torch; misterrob
There might have been others I'm not sure...

The only winner I know for certain was never in the bottom 3 was Kelly Clarkson. Carrie Underwood may not have been either, but I don't remember for certain. I think Fantasia was in the bottom three the night the three black divas were all in it. That was when Elton John accused AI of racism, LOL!

7,405 posted on 04/20/2006 1:02:59 PM PDT by Wolfstar (As long as I have you, though there be rain and darkness too, I'll not complain, I'll see it through)
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To: Wolfstar
What do you think? Mostly slowsongs? Any rock tunes? Sometimes their list is 100's of songs available.

I still think it will be slower tempo songs.

7,406 posted on 04/20/2006 1:04:21 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: misterrob

One more thing: how plausible is it that they used Chris and Ace in the bottom two to exploit their friendship ("Ben Afleck/Matt Damon of American Idol") to sway Ace's fans to vote for Chris?


7,407 posted on 04/20/2006 1:11:21 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Anything is possible....


7,408 posted on 04/20/2006 1:16:58 PM PDT by misterrob (Teach a Liberal to think for himself and he'll vote Conservative for the rest of his life.)
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To: Netizen
Well, I can tell you this. If Pickles win a TALENT show on her abilitity to be a minx, I won't be watching AI again.

I agree wholehartedly. I love AI and I would miss the show. But the ultimate shark-jump would be her winning. And it's not all the "voters" fault. The judges completely gave her a pass for that wretched performance, never even mentioning or hinting that it merited a bottom three or even elimination. They would have crapped all over any of the other contestants if they screwed up that badly. The fix may indded be in as some have speculated. I sure hope not.
7,409 posted on 04/20/2006 1:21:50 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Wyatt's Torch

I think I'm in for a bad next few weeks. I actually like everyone left except Kellie. Gonna be very irritating to see her hanging around when Taylor(well, probably not Taylor), Paris, Elliott, Katharine, or Chris get voted out. My gut feeling is that Pickler is going to make the top 2 but lose to Taylor or Chris. And that's regardless of what kind of performance she turns in. :-(


7,410 posted on 04/20/2006 1:28:45 PM PDT by FreedomForce
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To: Wolfstar

>>>And I think many of the regulars on this thread probably feel the same way.<<<

Yup! Count me in on that sentiment. If Pickler wins this year, I will know the show is totally bogus and fixed, and I will never watch it again.


7,411 posted on 04/20/2006 1:48:17 PM PDT by Palladin ("Governor Lynn Swann."...it has a nice ring to it!)
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To: over3Owithabrain
The judges completely gave her a pass for that wretched performance, never even mentioning or hinting that it merited a bottom three or even elimination.

They sure didn't tell HER to pack her bags, like they have others, did they?

7,412 posted on 04/20/2006 1:51:29 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: Wolfstar

You are right that most of what Bocelli sings are standards. You can hear the same love songs on the old Lawrence Welk shows on PBS. They are beautiful songs, and I hope all the contestants choose well. Many of those I listed above were pop songs, in English, back in the forties and fifties.

Elliott should sing "Amapola." It's a great song, and it was #1 on the Hit Parade back when Helen O'Connell sang it.

Another good one for one of the guys is "Besame Mucho." I think Chris would drive all his female fans crazy with tthat one...

"Besame, besame mucho--kiss me my darling and say that you'll always be mine."

The ladies on this thread will just swoon!


7,413 posted on 04/20/2006 1:59:36 PM PDT by Palladin ("Governor Lynn Swann."...it has a nice ring to it!)
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To: Wolfstar

I've been trying to relocate this article from MediaFiends but so far no luck. I saved it to my hard drive last week or the week before.

Anyway, they did a breakdown.

http://mediafiends.com/

First off, I will show you the wonderful research I discovered on Wikipedia. I had been racking my brain trying to remember the order of past bottom threes, but frankly it was next to impossible to recall. However, I located the bottom threes for every season and realized how incredibly predictably unpredictable this show really is.

SEASON ONE: (The number of visits a singer makes is listed after their name and the one in all caps went home.)

WEEK TWO: AJ GIL Ryan Starr Christina
WEEK THREE: RYAN (2) Justin Nikki
WEEK FOUR: CHRISTINA (2) RJ Nikki (2)
WEEK FIVE: RJ (2) Nikki (3)
WEEK SIX: NIKKI (5)
WEEK SEVEN: Justin (2) KELLY WINS!

Season One was the most different of all of the seasons so far, as there were only 10 people and the first week they kicked off two. This was a guys dropping like flies season at first. Nikki managed to come in third with a record FIVE trips to the bottom three!!! Kelly never saw the bottom three, like Carrie after her, and Justin had one surprise visit before losing to Kelly.

SEASON TWO:
WEEK 1: VANESSA Julia Kim L.
WEEK 2: CHARLES Corey Julia (2)
WEEK3: JULIA (3) Kim C. Rickey


WEEK 4 Corey disqualified---Kim c. &Carmen----
WEEK 5: RICKEY (2) Kim C. (2) Kim L. (2)
WEEK 6: KIM C. (3) Carmen Trenyce
WEEK 7: CARMEN (2) Josh Trenyce (2)
WEEK 8: TRENYCE (3) Ruben
WEEK 9: JOSH (2) Kim (3)
WEEK 10: KIM (4)
WEEK 11: CLAY Ruben wins.....

Season two proved that the winner could visit the bottom three at some point, leaving things wide open for following seasons. Clay NEVER saw the bottom three until he finally lost to Ruben, proving you could avoid the bottom all season and still lose the competition. This could mean Chris and Taylor need to watch out, and Paris and Elliott don't need to stress out as much as they think. Kim Locke, talented as she is, made FOUR visits to the bottom three and still came in third. Josh proves that mediocre country can get you far, but Bucky doesn't have his great military background story.... This season sucked for me because I loved Rickey, and he got unfairly voted off in place of Kim C or Carmen because of Corey being disqualified. It was so not cool.....

SEASON 3:

WEEK 1: LEAH Jennifer Amy
WEEK 2: MATT Camille Diana
WEEK 3: AMY (2) Jennifer (2) LaToya
WEEK 4: CAMILLE (2) Jasmine Diana (2)
WEEK 5: JPL John S. Diana (3)
WEEK 6: JENNIFER (3) Fantasia LaToya (2)
WEEK 7: JOHN S. (2) George Jasmine (2)
WEEK 8: GEORGE (2) Jasmine (3)
WEEK 9: LATOYA (3) Fantasia (2)
WEEK 10: JASMINE (4)
WEEK 11: DIANA (4) Fantasia wins.....

This season proved our winner could be in the bottom two TWICE, yeah that's right, TWICE!!! This was one screwed up season, with the start of Vote for the Worst, which kept John Stevens and Jasmine Trias around. Jasmine also had 4 visits to the bottom three and came in third. Hmmm....starting to see a pattern. America usually helps one person, for whatever reason skate by week after week to reach third. It's important to note that Jasmine didn't end up in the bottom three until Week 4. (Kim L made a surprise appearence the first week, but for all intents and purposes didn't really show up until week 5, and Nikki began appearing right away Week 2.) Also note, JPL left at random having never appeared in the bottom 3 week 5. So watch out Kellie Pickler!!!!!!

SEASON 4:

WEEK 1: LINDSEY Mikalah Jessica
WEEK2: MIKALAH (2) Nadia Anthony
WEEK 3: JESSICA (2) Anwar Nadia (2)
WEEK 4: NIKKO Scott Vonzell
WEEK 5: NADIA (3) Bo Scott (2)
WEEK 6: ANWAR (2) Anthony (2) Scott (3)
WEEK 7: CONSTANTINE Anthony (3) Vonzell (2)
WEEK 8: SCOTT (4) Anthony (4)
WEEK 9: ANTHONY (5) Vonzell (3)
WEEK 10: VONZELL (4)
WEEK 11: BO (2) Carrie wins.....

Scott, Vonzell, and Anthony showed up in the bottom three 13 times between the three of them, and they rounded out the top 5. (The season before them added up to 15 though!!! WHoa!!!) Carrie was never in the bottom three, the only winner to pull this off since Kelly. Constantine was the random JPL surprise, being voted off later in the game without a bottom 3 appearence.



Okay, so what did I learn? I did this research to give me peace of mind about Elliott, and I got just that. Usually, the person who makes it to third has a surprise visit to the bottom three week 4 or around that time, from there America latches on and keeps them around ala Kim Locke and Vonzell. I think this could be Elliott this season, and have high hopes of him still being able to go really far.

I also realized that KELLIE, TAYLOR, and CHRIS are not as safe as it would seem. There are many talented people and gimicky people who get voted off out of nowhere, over frequent bottom three visitors.

Those Who Left there FIRST visit to Bottom 3: (after the first week obviously)
1. Tamyra 2. Charles 3. Matt 4. JPL 5. Nikko
6. Constantine 7. Mandisa

Could Taylor pull a JPL? Could Chris pull a Constantine? Coule Kellie Pickler pull a Tamyra?

Let's evaluate the TOP FOURS of each season more carefully:
Season One: Nikki (5 visits) Justin (2)
Season Two: Ruben (1) Kim L. (4) Josh (2)
Season Three: Fantasia (2) LaToya (3) Jasmine (4) Diana (4) (Holy Cow!)
Season Four: Bo (2) Anthony (5) Vonzell (4)

These top 4 contestants begin showing up in bottom threes as early as week one and as late as Week 8 for Ruben. Fantasia, a winner, was in the bottom TWO, Week 6 and Week 9. Jasmine was in the bottom three week 4, week 7, week 8, and week 10. Diana was in the bottom three week 2, week 4, week 5, and then did not appear again until she lost to Fantasia. I don't know if this is helping us learn anything, but the fact that these singers are going to continue to grow and grate on us.

This article gave me hope for Elliott, but it also scared me when you see average singers stick around for so long. Kellie Pickler, Ace Young, and Bucky are all nice kids, but they are out of their league and I am hoping Queen week will show that in spades, just like Stevie Wonder week did. In any case, you can make it to third and appear in the bottom three FIVE TIMES!!!! (or just FOUR like the rest of them.)

Also, take a look at how many are doing well for themselves. RJ, Tamyra, Justin, Kelly, Kim Locke, Carmen, Ruben, Josh, Clay, Jennifer, Jim V, Diana, LaToya, Jasmine, Fantasia, George, Nikko, Bo, Constantine, and Carrie have all made some career out of their Idol start.


7,414 posted on 04/20/2006 2:02:13 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: Palladin; All

Here's a link for Helen O'Connell:

http://www.answers.com/topic/helen-o-connell

I bet Elliott's mom knows all Helen's songs. She was with the Jimmy Dorsey orchestra, and did great duets with Bob Eberly.

Anyway, Amapola is on Bocelli's latest album.


7,415 posted on 04/20/2006 2:04:52 PM PDT by Palladin ("Governor Lynn Swann."...it has a nice ring to it!)
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To: Palladin
If Pickler wins this year, I will know the show is totally bogus and fixed, and I will never watch it again.

Pickler is the poster child for Oprah viewers. They will take her under their wings because they all buy her hard luck rags to riches story.

But it doesn't matter anyway, because all of the top 10 have a chance to make a career just like so many of the past seasons. They are all winners in that regard and they have Simon and AI to thank for it.

7,416 posted on 04/20/2006 2:11:12 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (Republicans - doing the work that Democrats won't do since 1854.)
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To: Palladin

I am told it is a Donny Hathaway tune....


7,417 posted on 04/20/2006 2:11:50 PM PDT by misterrob (Teach a Liberal to think for himself and he'll vote Conservative for the rest of his life.)
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To: Netizen

Nice research there. It makes my head spin. But it also gives me hope that Pickler will go off next week or the week after.


7,418 posted on 04/20/2006 2:12:10 PM PDT by Palladin ("Governor Lynn Swann."...it has a nice ring to it!)
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To: Palladin
Nice research there. It makes my head spin. But it also gives me hope that Pickler will go off next week or the week after.

Like I said, I didn't do the research, but glad I kept the page. :)

We all know they have to go at sometime. I think Pickles goes like you said, either this week or next. I'm hoping this week, because we don't know what the following weeks theme will be. This might be a good theme to lose her on.

She is easily the weakest link.

7,419 posted on 04/20/2006 2:20:30 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: misterrob


The "Amapola" I'm talking about is a very old song. It was composed by La Calle:


Joseph LaCalle
b. 1860 (Spain), d. June 11, 1937
Overview:
Very little has been published about Joseph LaCalle. However, his tune "Amapola", recorded by Jimmy Dorsey's band, with Bob Eberly and Helen O'Connell singing, became a huge hit - reaching 19 on the all time Hit Parade Charts.

Career: Composer, as well as:
Music Critic for Columbia Phonograph Company, writing program notes for records
Member of John Phillip Sousa's Band (clarinet, 1893)
Member of the Twenty-third Infantry Regiment Band

Music:

"Twenty-third Regiment March" 1902
"Pobrecito Faraon" 1923
"Amapola (My Pretty Little Poppy)" (1941 Hit Parade Winner) 1924
"Aquel Beso" 1927




7,420 posted on 04/20/2006 2:21:52 PM PDT by Palladin ("Governor Lynn Swann."...it has a nice ring to it!)
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