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Skull discovery could fill origins gap
Yahoo (Reuters) ^ | Fri Mar 24, 11:02 AM ET

Posted on 03/24/2006 11:47:46 AM PST by The_Victor

ADDIS ABABA (Reuters) - A hominid skull discovered in Ethiopia could fill the gap in the search for the origins of the human race, a scientist said on Friday.

The cranium, found near the city of Gawis, 500 km (300 miles) southeast of the capital Addis Ababa, is estimated to be 200,000 to 500,000 years old.

The skull appeared "to be intermediate between the earlier Homo erectus and the later Homo sapiens," Sileshi Semaw, an Ethiopian research scientist at the Stone Age Institute at Indiana University, told a news conference in Addis Ababa.

It was discovered two months ago in a small gully at the Gawis river drainage basin in Ethiopia's Afar region, southeast of the capital.

Sileshi said significant archaeological collections of stone tools and numerous fossil animals were also found at Gawis.

"(It) opens a window into an intriguing and important period in the development of modern humans," Sileshi said.

Over the last 50 years, Ethiopia has been a hot bed for archaeological discoveries.

Hadar, located near Gawis, is where in 1974 U.S. scientist Donald Johnson found the 3.2 million year old remains of "Lucy," described by scientists as one of the greatest archaeological discoveries in the world.

Lucy is Ethiopia's world-acclaimed archaeological find. The discovery of the almost complete hominid skeleton was a landmark in the search for the origins of humanity.

On the shores of what was formerly a lake in 1967, two Homo sapien skulls dating back 195,000 years were unearthed. The discovery pushed back the known date of mankind, suggesting that modern man and his older precursor existed side by side.

Sileshi said while different from a modern human, the braincase, upper face and jaw of the cranium have unmistakeable anatomical evidence that belong to human ancestry.

"The Gawis cranium provides us with the opportunity to look at the face of one of our ancestors," he added.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: crevolist; godsgravesglyphs; missinglink; origins; stillmissing
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Does this "missing link" have all of these, just like my skull and those of everyone else who lives in Ethiopia?

With very minor exceptions, these same bones are shared by all primates and most mammals. The farther you get from primates the more differences you find.

I was amazed in the bone lab when, after most of a semester of looking at human bones--from small fragments to whole crania--the professor brought out the monkey skulls. I could identify every bone, and the overall shape was remarkable similar. Differences in size and some details, but if you know human cranial bones you know primate ones as well.

As far as eight bones and Ethiopia, Fester--is it happy hour where you are already?

141 posted on 03/24/2006 4:46:12 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Another word you don't understand: pectoral.


142 posted on 03/24/2006 4:46:31 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Fester Chugabrew

you are missing quite a few bones there, Fester.
just so you know - the "cranium" technically includes every bone north of the Atlas. this includes the mandible. this includes the nasal bones. depending on how you reckon things, the human cranium consists of about 22 bones.


143 posted on 03/24/2006 4:48:21 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: fortheDeclaration
"There is not one so-called 'transitional' skull that can be proved to be a transitional skull."

Care to describe what a transitional between an animal and a human might look like? If it existed of course.

144 posted on 03/24/2006 4:50:56 PM PST by b_sharp (Unfortunately there is not enough room left here for a tag line.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

um, Fester?
I do hope you were joking.
the "pectoral girdle" and associated extremities in non-primates are analogous to the primate shoulder-collar-arm assembly.
we don't walk on our hands.
you might, but we don't.


145 posted on 03/24/2006 4:51:08 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: VadeRetro
The fact is that man can have mammal characteristics but not be an animal, just like a Whale is not an animal, but a fish.

DINGDINGDINGDING!!! Your Brain on Creationism candidate!

146 posted on 03/24/2006 4:52:20 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: your mind)
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To: King Prout
depending on how you reckon things, the human cranium consists of about 22 bones.

Unless they're mentioned in Genesis, they don't count.

147 posted on 03/24/2006 4:52:29 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

I live in the United States, and I assume my cranium is comprised of eight bones. I also assume your cranium has the same number. Also the craniums of all the people who live in Ethiopia. Also the cranium of this supposed "missing link" that has tools strewn about its proximity.


148 posted on 03/24/2006 4:53:32 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Gumlegs

oh.


149 posted on 03/24/2006 4:55:03 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: microgood

I suggest you use that as a tagline. That's beautiful.


150 posted on 03/24/2006 4:55:50 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Fester,

Would you like a list of the human cranial bones, taken from a human osteology handbook which I acquired from the local police CSI lab? Would you consider such a source (written by an osteologist and paleontologist and forensics man named Bass) as authoritative?


151 posted on 03/24/2006 4:57:17 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: fortheDeclaration
The fact is that man can have mammal characteristics but not be an animal, just like a Whale is not an animal, but a fish.

Man has all the mammal characteristics, every one of them. So do whales. (OK, most whales lack hair. However, there are other naked mammals, especially aquatic ones.) A whale, like man, is a mammal and an animal.

You probably meant to say that a whale can have some fish characteristics but not be a fish. So it does. It has a streamlined body. But even stated correctly, all you have is a bad analogy. A whale lacks several salient characteristics of fish. No gills, no scales, no exothermy. Live birth rather than hatching from eggs. It suckles its young.

Now more than ever, we can tell what a thing is. Mammals are animals. Humans are mammals.

152 posted on 03/24/2006 4:57:32 PM PST by VadeRetro (I have the updated "Your brain on creationism" on my homepage.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
I live in the United States, and I assume my cranium is comprised of eight bones. I also assume your cranium has the same number. Also the craniums of all the people who live in Ethiopia. Also the cranium of this supposed "missing link" that has tools strewn about its proximity.

Sentient people assume that those who can't distinguish between 8 and 22 and who don't care to learn the difference have little to contribute in a discussion of science.

153 posted on 03/24/2006 4:57:39 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: King Prout
. . . the "cranium" technically includes every bone north of the Atlas.

Depends on your source. Some make a distinction between cranial (8) and facial (14) bones. If it is any consolation, I'll happily concede that my cranium, and that of this find, and those of the people in Ethiopia all have 22 bones.

154 posted on 03/24/2006 4:58:09 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
When tools are found in the immediate vicinity of bipedal hominids it is a fairly clear sign the bones are those of people. Or do Jane and Koko communities abound throughout the planet?

I don't see your responses to post 50. Which ones are the humans and which ones are the (totally unrelated to us) apes?

155 posted on 03/24/2006 4:58:16 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: your mind)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"I live in the United States, and I assume my cranium is comprised of eight bones."

So, you're not human?

"I also assume your cranium has the same number."

Nope, I'm human.

"Also the craniums of all the people who live in Ethiopia."

Why Ethiopia? Why pick them?


156 posted on 03/24/2006 4:59:23 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: fortheDeclaration
" No, the thing would be neither be animal nor human.

"It would be a transition from the one to the other.

And the difference between humans and animals is...?

Surely you have a method for differentiating between the two. Care to share it?

I'm sure that the method would enable us to tell which of post 50's skulls are human and which are animal.

157 posted on 03/24/2006 4:59:49 PM PST by b_sharp (Unfortunately there is not enough room left here for a tag line.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
And the skull is assumed to be a hominid, something that cannot even be proven to have existed.

Johannes Beringer, is that you?

158 posted on 03/24/2006 5:00:31 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Have a beer (Offer not vaild in Canada)
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To: fortheDeclaration

OMG LOLOL just ain't good enough.

Since WJB admitted (because he was consistent) on the stand that humans were not mammals, even the Scopes Crackers laughed themselves silly. And H.L. Mencken said he did while in the first row was a woman giving her infant some "titty".

After all those years, what's your excuse?

And I'd bet ol' WJB would never say a whale is a fish. I guess the Sunday cartoons are early this week.

OOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL (somebody call the paramedics, whimper, whimper, sniff, sniff......)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Ouch this hurts.


159 posted on 03/24/2006 5:00:51 PM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: jennyp

Tell me how many bones are in each skull and whether tools were found in the vicinity and I'll tell you which ones I think are human, and which not.


160 posted on 03/24/2006 5:01:01 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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