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Dog Breeder Licencing in Florida
vanity | 3/19/06 | me

Posted on 03/20/2006 1:01:21 PM PST by doc30

Normally, I don't post requests for help on issues, but there are a fair number of more knowlegeable animal lover Freepers than I. They may be interested and/or could offer some insight into 2 bills pending in FL.

Here are the Senate Summaries of these 2 bills coming before the Senate Agriculture Committee in FL and are to be voted on the 21st. Has anyone heard of these bills and does anyone have any idea what their impact will be?

Some have said that this will cripple the dog/cat breeders in FL and will include private, non-profit animal rescue groups as "pet dealers" and make them subject to licensing requirements. Such volunteer organizations are in no place to administer government regulations and they perform an important community function. It will also shut down home/hobby breeders. For those interested, here is a list of the committee members.

Bullard 850-487-5127
Argenziano 850-487-5017
Bennett 850-487-5078
Haridopolos 850-487-5056
Peaden 850-487-5000
Smith 850-487-5020


TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: breeder; cat; dog; doggieping; florida; lisencing
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To: HairOfTheDog
You throw the word they around, which indicates all of them. You are just flat out wrong. Many breeders I know (including myself) breed for traits other than looks. You could do some research and find this out if you chose to. However, don't be surprised if I take that as a personal affront, since I am one of they and by golly my dogs have been titled in obedience and field as well as conformation, and I know alot of people who do multiple venues with their goldens. In fact, in order to encourage this the Golden Retriever Club of America started a versitily title that is eagerly sought by many *conformation* people. susie
101 posted on 03/20/2006 3:23:05 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Bump, thanks for the ping HOTD.


102 posted on 03/20/2006 3:23:47 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Actually, if you will look very far, you will find that PETA is behind this stuff. If you think PETA is the way to go, so be it, however their goal is NOT responsible breeders, it is NO PETS.
susie


103 posted on 03/20/2006 3:24:33 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Many conformation people in my breed, go on to other titles after their dogs receive their championships.

There are hunting titles, obedience, and agility, just to name a few.


104 posted on 03/20/2006 3:25:58 PM PST by sissyjane (Don't be stuck on stupid!)
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To: doc30
The problem is that these animals are not the pruducts of hobby breeders. Most of the animals at shelters are street-bred animals, not pedigreed pets.

That's what 'hobby' breeders always say.

Got an unbiased, objective source for this assertion? Links?

Most breeders I know are very careful who gets their animals and are not into it for the money. Breeders like this are very lucky if they can break even.

Of course not. It's never you, or me. It's always the breeder hiding over there, behind that tree.

If there is only an estimated 20% compliance with county dog licensing, then how is this law going to stop the production of unwanted pets?

Because this law isn't aimed at the consumer. It's aimed at the producers themselves. If the laws says you will pay a license fee, that your facility will be inspected, and you will be fined if found to not be in compliance with the law, then that's the price you pay for doing business as a breeder.

If you don't like it, there's always the hobby of stamp-collecting.

105 posted on 03/20/2006 3:27:51 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: wndycndy
FreeRepublic needs a support group for people who are satirically impaired.
106 posted on 03/20/2006 3:28:27 PM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: brytlea
You throw the word they around, which indicates all of them.

Ridiculous. Read my 97 again. Please. The top paragraph too.

In fact, in order to encourage this the Golden Retriever Club of America started a versitily title that is eagerly sought by many *conformation* people. susie

Really, you're acknowledging that the problem exists by arguing that it's being corrected.

Don't tell me to do research... I'm not tellin' untruths.

Don't be so defensive if you ain't the problem. The problems DO exist.

107 posted on 03/20/2006 3:31:59 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: sissyjane
Many conformation people in my breed, go on to other titles after their dogs receive their championships. There are hunting titles, obedience, and agility, just to name a few.

I know... and good for them.

108 posted on 03/20/2006 3:33:00 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: HairOfTheDog

It sure does. That is why Darnright included me with the ping.

Darnright was adding on to what I said to you in http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1599812/posts?page=40#40

The AWA law I brought up is what Darnright elaborated on.


109 posted on 03/20/2006 3:36:10 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Right. And that's not the subject of this thread. Don't know it, didn't vouch for it.


110 posted on 03/20/2006 3:38:41 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Darnright
You are preaching to the choir...


111 posted on 03/20/2006 3:40:11 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: doc30

I will get you the links and text after my kids' homework is done.

Current AWA laws doesn't allow kennel licenses to homes or homesteads. They have to be separate kennel facilities.

The PAWS law that is stalled at the federal level is being pushed through at the state levels to force compliance.

This is what we are seeing on this thread here.

These animal laws won't allow for x number of litters per year w/o a kennel license.

The litter is broad and not animal specific.

This will essentially wipe out homesteaders for being able to breed and sell working dogs.


112 posted on 03/20/2006 3:41:18 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: HairOfTheDog

It's pointless to discuss this with you. Your mind is closed, made up and don't bug you with facts. So, I'm done.
susie


113 posted on 03/20/2006 3:43:43 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

It is relevant to the new licensing monies going through.

The licenses and breed restrictions are all components of PAWs.

I will get the links when I'm back at my desk.


114 posted on 03/20/2006 3:43:47 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: doc30
Requires that any cat or dog offered for sale must be accompanied by an animal-purchase disclosure. Prohibits a pet dealer from possessing a dog or cat under a certain age.

I'm glad that Florida's got all the problems solved with illegal immigration, crime, hurricanes and other stuff so they can focus ALL their attention on this mission critical piece of legislature.

115 posted on 03/20/2006 3:44:46 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Islam's true face: http://makeashorterlink.com/?J169127BC)
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To: brytlea

You haven't bugged me with a single fact. I've bugged you with some. :~D


116 posted on 03/20/2006 3:50:24 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Calpernia
I will get the links when I'm back at my desk.

I'll get my tinfoil hat ready :~D

117 posted on 03/20/2006 3:51:56 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Show people who breed for looks alone have nearly lost the instincts and attributes that made the breeds what they originally were. And I've been there.

I have seen all the flaws in the breeds that you mention, and then some. But I have also seen my own breed standard get 'adjusted' by AKC judges making a concerted effort to penalize certain physical & tempermental characteristics that have become excessive or undesireable. The interpretation of the breed standard does change over time. I guess you know that the breed ring is not the place to evaluate instinct -- trials are for that kinda thing. We trial our terriers to evaluate hunting instinct.

118 posted on 03/20/2006 4:00:06 PM PST by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: brytlea
And, there are other things it could be as well....

I have a big soft heart, as you might have noticed.

My first Golden was sent home from college by my oldest son who bought her 1/2 price from a girl who had brought 5 puppies back to Texas Tech from an ElPaso breeder and sold them around campus. Nobody wanted the female, even though she had AKC registration. (All the new dog "parents" were "macho" college football players, and they wanted only male dogs. My son talked me into taking her by giving me a whiney story about how he couldn't keep her, but he bought her to "save her" because the football players next door were feeding her tacos and beer! And besides, I needed a "watch dog" to protect me now that all my kids were out of the house. (Baloney!)

Naturally, this Golden was no watch dog. She would lick a burglar to death and then offer him a beer. The vet took one look at her and told me that I should have her spayed because there were already too many Goldens in the world. I hesitated because she had a really nice demeanor. Then she went into heat. I took her right in to be spayed at that point because I knew that I couldn't deal with it.

But, before she was spayed, she slipped on a hill on wet leaves in my yard and wrenched her shoulder when she was about 10 months old. She had to be confined to a kennel for a MONTH to heal. Then, when she was 5, she slipped on wet grass again on another hill and slipped a disc. After a 10 days at the Vet School and a lot of rehab we got her walking again and she led a fairly active life with no hunting and no jumping allowed until she died at 15 1/2. We devised indoor retrieving games to amuse her without stressing her spine.

The first 2 times she was in the vet, the x-ray machine happened to be broken so we could never get a picture of the hips to know if she really had a problem, so we just had her spayed because we felt that the chances that there was a deformity were probably pretty good, considering her background.

To add insult to injury, several years after she was spayed, the vet school took full x-rays when she had her spinal injury at age 5. They told me at that time that she had very well developed hips and sockets and would have been a good mom! Too late then!

My friend's dog (Tess) reminds me of how stiffly my old Terra used to walk near the end of her life, and Tess is still a pup. That is what worries me. Tess is already spayed, but my friend does not tolerate any dog that is less than perfect. I also trained with Tess's mother and I never liked the look of her either. Perhaps it is just my preference for Goldens over Labs.

119 posted on 03/20/2006 4:02:09 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: brytlea
Actually, if you will look very far, you will find that PETA is behind this stuff.

That's what the breeders always say.

Got an unbiased, objective source for this assertion? Links?

120 posted on 03/20/2006 4:07:49 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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