Posted on 02/25/2006 7:09:32 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
Is Dell is on its way to becoming the first tier-one PC vendor to offer a mainstream business Linux desktop to US customers? It's starting to look that way.
In the recent past, Dell has toyed with shipping a Linux-powered PC to the US market. But, when push came to shove, the results -- a Dimension E510n PC shipped with an empty hard drive, a copy of the obscure, open-source FreeDOS operating system and no support if you did install Linux -- were less then impressive.
It's a different story for so-called workstations priced nearly as cheaply as desktops. Dell has started advertising a trio of affordable workstations with RHEL WS 4 (Red Hat Enterprise Linux workstation 4) preinstalled.
"I provided links like usual"
Sure about that?
"they offer a few desktops, 4 to be precise" --Groklaw
"While we offer Linux on all of our server range (Dell PowerEdge servers) we don't offer Linux as a factory installed option on our clients with the exception of the Dell Precision line of Workstations." --mozillaquest
You responded by saying:
"Dell made it almost impossible for them to buy a Linux system from them." --GoldenEagle
Thats called lying son, and calling a liar for what he is is not name calling its just stating the world as it it.
Oh and by the way Vaughn Nichols has already admitted the parent article was a lie, so you should go make sure he doesn't write any more articles claiming you can get Linux desktops from Dell.
Sure someone Ill get right on telling someone I never heard of (and with reasonable assumption has never heard of me) not to write anything like that again....
no matter how much you like to cry about it.
LOL, maybe I'm a bit off the edge today because if the definition of insanity it to keep trying the same thing and expecting different results I don't know why I expect you to own up to your lie rather than try to attack me... But Ill give it one more shot...
I never said Dell would go with Linux on their desktops, I said Dell would do whats right for Dell and thats the way it should be. I said the guys at mozillaquest were unreasonable, and I pointed out your lie.. Nowhere did I agree or defend the parent article...
Not that any of this matters you got caught lying (again) and just like when you spun "Literally hundreds of kernel developers" "Linux only has 10-15% of the market" and more times than I care to remember you'll just spin and spit in every direction until this thread fizzles out..
So Ill tell you what if you don't want to address your lie fine, its on the table here for all to see..
"I posted this thread? thats news to me! On my browser it shows 'Halfmanhalfamazing' as the poster.."
Don't expect too much, now. He can't even keep track of what HE says, much less what you're saying!
"You care enough to be here every day, Hell I think you care about Linux more than I do.."
He's certainly posts about it more than either of us....
Workstations aren't desktops, since you're too ignorant to understand the terminology. Take it up with the original article's author if you want, since even he has admitted it was a lie. As for me, I'm done with this thread since you refuse to interact with reality, go ahead believing Dell ships Linux desktops if you want, but everybody else knows it's lie now, and has for a few days.
"Nowhere did I agree or defend the parent article..."
I'll go you one better than that...nowhere did I even MENTION the parent article, but he still claims I've lost the "debate", when actually, I wasn't even debating...all I did was point out that he once again tried to change the subject from "systems" to "desktops", which he clearly did. From then on, his own paranoia took over.
But then, when have little trivialities like "facts" or "truth" ever stood in the way of one of his maniacal, ranting posts?
"Workstations aren't desktops, since you're too ignorant to understand the terminology."
Here we go again, endless spinning, semantics, and nitpicking.
If I buy the computer I want from Dell, I care not if they decide to call it a desktop or a workstation. I just want the thing to get on the Internet and play music.
"I'm done with this thread since you refuse to interact with reality, go ahead believing Dell ships Linux desktops if you want, but everybody else knows it's lie now, and has for a few days."
Not surprised you're done; I mean, what more is there for you to say? You got even more thoroughly trounced than usual. But, I'm almost tempted to get one of these "workstations", use it as my "desktop" and post a picture of it here, just so you can get a good whiff of your own stupidity.
Just for giggles, what prevents me from using my "workstation" as a "desktop"? And why should I care what they call it?
You did not say Workstations, you said "Dell made it almost impossible for them to buy a Linux system from them."
Now your trying to quibble out of your lie by moving the bar, nice try!
As for me, I'm done with this thread
After I beat like a rented mule I'm surprised you stayed this long...
Dell...from what I've seen...it's not a machine I would recommend to anyone any more..and that goes for LINOX..is that the vacuum cleaner?
Actually neither did I my role in this was pinging the list at a members request, and correcting a lie by our local troll..
It's been the context all along, bozos.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1585665/posts?page=122#122
Since you obviously don't know the difference, call Dell, LMAO!
I can spec out a Dimension with the same or better hardware than the Precision Linux boxes but apparently the branding dell puts on them is significant..
Dell isn't socialist, the socialists are those that are constantly trying to ram free software like Linux down our throats. According to the socialists linked below, Dell made it almost impossible for them to buy a Linux system from them.
Which is not even what the articles said
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1585665/posts?page=35#35 This happened nearly 100 post before you decided to ignore it and start over..
Last post, just to set the record straight. From my link:
http://mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Dell-Linux_Story-01.html
A friend called Dell a few days after Christmas 2003 to order a computer. Frankly, this writer was very surprised at what the friend had to say about his experiences with Dell.
The friend asked if he could get Linux instead of Windows XP for the Dell computer's operating system. He was told no by the Dell salesperson. He also was told that if he installed Linux on a Dell computer it would void the warranty.
This writer called the Dell order-takers to verify this. It was as the friend said. A MozillaQuest Magazine technical editor also called Dell to double-verify this. He got the same anti-Linux crap from Dell and also was very much surprised by it.
Moreover, the Dell salespeople said that any software or hardware installed, but not purchased through Dell, would void the warranty.
That scenario means that Dell customers do not have freedom to select, purchase, and install software or hardware on Dell computers without voiding the warranty. That discourages, if not prevents, Dell customers from installing Linux on their Dell computers. Moreover, it discourages, if not prevents, Dell customers from installing Open Source Software and Free Software on their Dell computers.
bozos
"Going through the "home" menuing, the salesperson reached on 9 January 2004 said a user installing Linux does not void the hardware warranty. Apparently as Carmen said at the end of December, they got with their sales team to make sure they have the right information -- at least as to user installation of Linux and other software not voiding the hardware warranty.""
The whole thing was a case of a sales team that was unaware of what marketing was actually selling... See I actually read the whole article...
Dell spokespeople Carmen Maverick and Stephen Wanless said:
Carmen Maverick: We sell a wide variety of hardware and software through our Software and Peripherals (S&P) store. Customer-installed hardware and software -- including operating systems -- does not void the Dell system warranty.
Dell Precision workstations are currently the only client product line that we offer with Linux pre-installed (Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS), based on customer demand.
So nowhere from that article should you have drawn the conclusion Dell was making it impossible... unless of course you really really were willing to twist the truth to get there..
I never said it was impossible, those are just your lies claiming I did. I clearly said "almost impossible" as my links prove. You've lost this argument every which way you could have, GE out.
Dell made it almost impossible for them to buy a Linux system from them. -- Golden Eagle
Ahh I see calling a desktop a system is not a huge deal but impossible vs almost impossible is? Typical of you...
What you could have said, without lying, is that Dell makes it impossible to buy a preloaded Linux Dimension Desktop..
links prove
Your links prove that the sales people were out of touch with the marketing people... They also prove that as soon as dell found out about this they corrected the situation.
GE out?
You from da hood? Gonna step to me, homeboy?
You're a trip. I truly thank you for some of the best laughs I've had in a while. How old are you, anyway?
Before you go, I'd like to ask again: what prevents me from using my "workstation" as a "desktop"? And why should I care what they call it?
Yeah. He can sling the insults, but can't take it. He always whines and cries about people being nasty to him, right after he calls them a liar. Such a sissy.
You really don't know the difference, do you? ROFL! You really don't, do you. I told you to call Dell and you apparently never have, in your life, or you would know that not just anyone can order business systems (hint: workstations) direct from Dell.
Look at the website even, since you're obviously too afraid to call.
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/workstations?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd
Pricing, specifications, availability and terms of offers may change without notice, are not transferable and are valid only for new purchases from Dell Small Business for delivery in the 50 United States.
Talk about the basics, LOL, you boys don't even have a clue do you! LMAO!
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