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Star search: Why so few Cowboys in Hall?
The Dallas Morning sNoozs ^ | Sunday, January 29, 2006 | BRAD TOWNSEND

Posted on 01/29/2006 9:31:40 AM PST by Bender2

Star search: Why so few Cowboys in Hall?

By Brad Townsend

Many Cowboys fans are among the suspicious. They believe that only bias and conspiracy can explain the relatively paltry number of Cowboys in the Hall of Fame. No franchise has won more playoff games (32) or played in more Super Bowls (eight), and only one other team has won as many championships (five). But only five Cowboys players are in the Hall.

No Cowboy has been elected since Mel Renfro in 1996, but that could change Saturday. Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin and Rayfield Wright are among the 15 finalists. Bylaws dictate that three to six former players get elected annually.

The conspiracy theory isn't limited to fans. Even selectors talk about it.

"Yeah, of course people have had bias against the Cowboys ever since the America's Team [expletive]," says Sports Illustrated senior writer Paul Zimmerman, a longtime Hall voter.

(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: bowl; cowboys; cowboyssuck; dallas; dallascowboys; fame; football; hall; mikecrackheadirvin; nfl; of; pro; super
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To: Allegra
Just make sure that Tabbouli is not low fat!

Heck, here's my reciept:

2 cups of water

2 tsp brown miso (the label on the kind I buy says 0 grams of fat)

Stir a bit to dissolve the miso in the water.

Add 1 cup dry bulgur wheat and stir to mix.

Cover and microwave on high for about 6 minutes.

Put in refrigerator overnight (covered so it absorbs the moisture).

Next day, add:

2 medium cucumbers, seeds removed, chopped into small (1/4") pieces

2 medium tomatoes, chopped into small (1/4") pieces

1and a half cups of finely chopped fresh parsley

Dressing:

1/4 cup red wine vinegar

2 tsps Dijon mistard

a dash of soy sauce

Pour dressing over veggie/bulgur mix and stir well. Add scotch and beer to taste.

You get all that?

61 posted on 01/29/2006 10:30:41 AM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: Allegra

Orchard Park, NY?


62 posted on 01/29/2006 10:31:28 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Allegra

They were pretty beat up going into that one weren't they?


63 posted on 01/29/2006 10:31:54 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan
Orchard Park, NY?

I'm gonna be sick...

64 posted on 01/29/2006 10:32:38 AM PST by Allegra (Stamp Out Jet Lag. Abolish Time Zones.)
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To: Bender2

I am no friend of the Cowboys, but I've got no problem with Aikman getting into the Hall...


65 posted on 01/29/2006 10:33:11 AM PST by mhking (Tell me what you don't like about yourself...)
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To: Bender2
You get all that?

I'll just go out and buy it on the street.

66 posted on 01/29/2006 10:33:54 AM PST by Allegra (Stamp Out Jet Lag. Abolish Time Zones.)
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To: Allegra

It's been thirteen years and I'm still shocked by that game. I wasn't surprised that the Bills offense came to life in the second half...what stunned me was how the Oilers offense went to sleep.


67 posted on 01/29/2006 10:34:14 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Bender2
Its a dumb argument because you're talking about going to the Super Bowl (or NFL championship game) in an era of watered-down talent. Try winning 9 of your 12 championships when talent was not watered down. Oh, and BTW...Green Bay has won more championships (12) than the Cowboys have even been too.

Also, I can set an arbitrary qualifier, as you have, by saying how many Super Bowls have the Cowboys been to since 1996? (Packers have been in two). And now many have the Cowboys won since 1996? (Packers have won one).

Cowboys have a LONG way to go to catch the Packers or the Bears.

68 posted on 01/29/2006 10:36:42 AM PST by big'ol_freeper (..it takes some pretty serious yodeling to..filibuster from a five star ski resort in the Swiss Alps)
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To: mainepatsfan
Which Steelers from that era do you think deserved to get in?

Definitely should be in:
- Joe Greene
- Jack Lambert
- Franco Harris (don't think he was that great but did play a long time - has the yards to be a lock)
- Terry Bradshaw

Questionable
- Mike Webster - great player and very productive career. Lots of other offensive lineman (90's Cowboys Offensive line) have had such careers as well but are not in the hall of fame.

Shouldn't be in:
- Lynn Swann
- Jack Ham
- Mel Blount

There is has even been a solid push for Rocky Blier and Stallworth.

The ones above that shouldn't be in are all very good players, but didn't really rise to hall of fame standards. If the same standards were applied to the 80s 49ers and 90s Cowboys players like Nate Newton and Bill Ring would be in the hall of fame.

69 posted on 01/29/2006 10:36:59 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Allegra
Re: And let's not even bring up that {shudder!} 1993 playoff game...that...that which must never be mentioned...that...

My lips are sealed... If I had any, that is!

70 posted on 01/29/2006 10:37:04 AM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: Bender2; mainepatsfan; infidel29
Well, good night from the banks of the Tigris River. I'm going to chill out and read and then study the insides of my eyelids for a few hours.

After all, every day's a workday here!

'Nite all!

Hey, Bender, how do you like the way I turned your Cowboys thread into sort of a Houston thread while I was here. And we suck! {evil laughter...}

Oh, and here's a little parting song for you...

Hail to the Redskins
Hail Victory
Braves on the warpath
FIGHT for old DC!

71 posted on 01/29/2006 10:38:11 AM PST by Allegra (Stamp Out Jet Lag. Abolish Time Zones.)
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To: JeffAtlanta

I've been surpsied how many folks have attacked Bradshaw because he didn't put up huge career passing numbers. As far as I'm concerned he made the big throws when he had to in the biggest games.


72 posted on 01/29/2006 10:39:01 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: big'ol_freeper
Its a dumb argument because you're talking about going to the Super Bowl (or NFL championship game) in an era of watered-down talent. Try winning 9 of your 12 championships when talent was not watered down.

Talent is greater than ever so it is definitely not watered down. There are more teams now, but the general population is also a lot higher as well.

Also, being an NFL player now bring big bucks and you can be set for life if you can make it. It was not that way during the Packer run. Players of that era were not paid that much and had to have other careers.

This means that the draw to be professional football player is greater than it's ever been. In the 1960s it was not that way.

Also, the league was tiny in the 1950s and 1960s. A team only had to be better than 9 or 10 teams to win a championship - now a team must be better than 31 other teams.

73 posted on 01/29/2006 10:41:18 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
Re: The problem is that there are too many 1970's Steelers in the HOF. Like the 1970s Cincinati Reds, the electors have decided that merely playing for the 1970s Steelers should make the player worthy of being in the HOF.

The HOF is supposed to be for the super elite players (Montana, Walter Payton, Lawrence Taylor) and not just for pretty good players that were role players on a dynasty.

You drive home an excellent point, Jeff.

Yep, it is all those blankty-blank Steelers from the 1970s fault!!!!!

74 posted on 01/29/2006 10:41:24 AM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: Bender2
I guess then he has to take some of the blame as well.
75 posted on 01/29/2006 10:45:00 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: F16Fighter
Let's see: Lee Roy Jordan played in six pro bowls, had over 1,200 combined tackles, 743 solo tackles, recorded 21 combined tackles in a single game, yeah, doesn't sound like anything special. BTW, if Harris and Waters were mediocre, how come more members of the "great defensive line" that propped them up never made it into the hall?

Actually, Herb Adderly, Mike Ditka, and Lance Alworth are all in the Hall of Fame. Adderly won one Super Bowl with the Cowboys, and Ditka and Alworth won their only Super Bowl player rings as members of the Cowboys.

There will be more Cowboys in the hall. Aikman and Smith will go in on first ballot. If Irvin doesn't, it will be because of off-field problems. Charles Hailey should also go in, along with several members of the early ninties offensive line.

76 posted on 01/29/2006 10:49:34 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Look, Daddy! Teacher says every time a Kennedy talks, a Republican gets a house seat!)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Re: Packers have been in two since 1996...

I see Big is a diehard Cowboy disliker... And we all know statistics can prove the cow did jump over the moon!

BTW in the 1996 Super Bowl XXX Jan. 28, 1996 Dallas 27, Pittsburgh 17...

77 posted on 01/29/2006 10:52:04 AM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: mainepatsfan
've been surpsied how many folks have attacked Bradshaw because he didn't put up huge career passing numbers.

A quarterbacks's success, far more than any other position, is determined by what team he plays for. Running backs, wide receivers, defensive backs, lineman, linebackers and even kickers are judged by their individual numbers - QBs on the other hand are judged primarily by wins and losses of the team.

I think that method is silly as QBs can only do their job and help it if their running game sucks or their defense is weak, but it is the system in which QBs are judged.

Like you said, Bradshaw made the big throws in the big games. During the year he didn't have to be that great as he did have a very strong supporting cast, but when he really had to step it up - he did.

78 posted on 01/29/2006 10:54:28 AM PST by JeffAtlanta (Q)
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To: JeffAtlanta
Yup. I never understood why Elway was so attacked for losing his first three Super Bowls. He was the main reason why Denver even got to those games and the Broncos were outmatched in each one of them.
79 posted on 01/29/2006 10:56:51 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: big'ol_freeper
You have to understand that most of the those teams got thirty year head start on Dallas, but let's look at the NFL/NFC championship as a whole, I did not include the AFL/AFC or AAFC statistics:

Team W L pct
Green Bay Packer 10 3 0.769
Dallas Cowboys 8 8 0.500
Washington Redskins 7 5 0.583
Chicago Bears 7 6 0.538
N.Y. Giants 6 11 0.353
Philadelphia Eagles 5 4 0.556
San Francisco 49ers 5 7 0.417
St. Louis (LA) Rams 5 9 0.357
Detroit Lions 4 2 0.667
Minnesota Vikings 4 4 0.500
Cleveland Browns 4 7 0.364
Baltimore Colts 3 1 0.750
Seattle Seahawks 1 0 1.000
Atlanta Falcons 1 1 0.500
St. Louis (Chicago) Cards 1 1 0.500
Carolina Panthers 1 2 0.333
Tampa Bay Bucs 1 2 0.333

80 posted on 01/29/2006 10:57:29 AM PST by Perdogg ("Facts are stupid things." - President Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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