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LINUX HAS MORE FLAWS THAN WINDOWS
The Inquirer ^ | 1/6/06 | Nick Farrell

Posted on 01/09/2006 3:50:13 PM PST by cabojoe

THE UNITED STATES Computer Emergency Readiness Team (CERT) has prepared a report for the government that claims that fewer vulnerabilities were found in Windows than in Linux/Unix operating systems in 2005.

Cert included under the Linux umbrella Mac OS X, as well as the various Linux distributions and flavours of Unix. It claimed that the Unix camp had more than twice as many vulnerabilities as Windows.

The Cyber Security Bulletin 2005, said that out of 5,198 reported flaws, 812 were Windows operating system vulnerabilities, while 2,328 were Unix/Linux operating bugs.

The remaining 2,058 were multiple operating system vulnerabilities. It is possible to hear the sounds of the provisional wing of the Linux and Apple glee clubs strapping cyber explosives to their belts at the announcement.

It seems that the figures prove the impression of many in the security industry that the only reason Windows boxes get turned over the most is because there are more of them.

CERT's figures did not include figures for how quickly vulnerabilities are patched once they are discovered. You can have a look at the report here. And flame CERT not us. µ


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KEYWORDS: fud; linux; mac; windows
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To: Bush2000
Cert reports bugs multiple times: “Updates” - this is where US-CERT simply updates the status of an existing vulnerability. If a new patch comes out, or some new malicious code takes advantage of the vulnerability, it is marked as an update.

bugs that never existed: The Debian lintian Insecure Temporary File, as this was discovered, discussed, and corrected in the year before it was reported. Further this was a bug in an alpha product not a relased version. Does cert count bugs in alpha MS versions?

Ah, yes, the downside of shipping software that's common between *nix platforms.

Has nothing to do with commonality its the way its reported that makes the numbers meaningless. A bzip2 error is a bzip2 error be it on Linux, Solaris, AIX, or HU-UX... Yet CERT will report it one time for each and *THEN* say its really 4 bugs. Defending the piss poor methodology these guys are using shows that perhaps the biggest OS partisan on the thread is you.

61 posted on 01/12/2006 11:29:24 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Bush2000
huh?

Windows only amount to a pretty reasonable 44
Red Hat had seven vulnerabilities
and Gentoo a mere five

Did you even read the article?
62 posted on 01/12/2006 11:35:57 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Which do you suggest I should believe?

I could care less what you believe.
63 posted on 01/12/2006 11:48:17 AM PST by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: N3WBI3

See post #41. Analysis which removed dupes still makes Linux the flaw leader.


64 posted on 01/12/2006 11:49:13 AM PST by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: N3WBI3
"Now for Linux. The Linux kernel itself had 90 vulnerabilities, 80 of which affected “multiple vendors”. It's still more than Windows (I'll get to that in a minute), but it's one heck of a lot less than 2 328. "

"Now on to why Linux' kernel still managed to rack up double the vulnerabilities of Microsoft Windows. There are a heck of a lot of Linux kernels out there. Last week saw the release of 2.6.15. Some of the vulnerabilities affect multiple kernels, some only a handful, and some vulnerabilities are present only in a single version of the kernel. Further, kernels in testing are included in the US-CERT reports, since each kernel version can be downloaded by brave kernel developers from day one -- the same guys who find the vulnerabilities and publish them."
65 posted on 01/12/2006 11:52:01 AM PST by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Bush2000

41 still ignores reports of bugs in alpha and pre release versions. 41 also ignores multiple post of the same bug to different platforms, it only deals with 'updates'.


66 posted on 01/12/2006 11:54:41 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Bush2000
Wow bold big letters, you are getting smacked around here Ill highlight a different part for you.

"Now on to why Linux' kernel still managed to rack up double the vulnerabilities of Microsoft Windows. There are a heck of a lot of Linux kernels out there. Last week saw the release of 2.6.15. Some of the vulnerabilities affect multiple kernels, some only a handful, and some vulnerabilities are present only in a single version of the kernel. Further, kernels in testing are included in the US-CERT reports, since each kernel version can be downloaded by brave kernel developers from day one -- the same guys who find the vulnerabilities and publish them."

67 posted on 01/12/2006 11:56:33 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Bush2000

I could care less what you believe.

And likewise I'm sure. Feel free to believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, that islam is a Religion of Peace, that one day we'll fill out our income taxes on a postcard a la Steve Forbes, and that Windows beats Linux from a security point of view. I really could care less.


68 posted on 01/12/2006 12:06:28 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: Bush2000
And yet there are practically no reports of exploitation.

Not according to some of the articles posted here during the week when there was no patch. Oh, that's right. You were not posting on FreeRepublic during that time. You might want to dig through the archives.

It's only potentially dangerous if you're browsing p0rn or war3z.

In this case, that is patently untrue and a dangerous lie to propogate. FreeRepublic could have easily been made a vector for this defect to be exploited. It's hardly a porn or warez site.

As I mentioned in my previous post, some of the other exploitable defects in MS-Windows that were somewhat similar would have required a user to specifically browse to an evil site. This makes it less likely that a given individual would be at risk if they didn't make it a habit of browsing porn/warez sites. This was much different, in that all that was necessary would be for someone to anchor an <img> tag in a post on a blog comment, or forum such as this, and you could hit as many people as there were MS-Windows viewers of that page.

You can do better than this. I know you're not that stupid.

69 posted on 01/12/2006 12:10:35 PM PST by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: N3WBI3
41 still ignores reports of bugs in alpha and pre release versions. 41 also ignores multiple post of the same bug to different platforms, it only deals with 'updates'.

Except, not surprisingly, you can't quantify any kind of disparity with the reported numbers. All you have is conjecture and FUD.
70 posted on 01/12/2006 1:32:56 PM PST by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Bush2000
Im telling you how they get them, Im pointing out to you the implications, and post 51 gives a more detailed explination and post the consiquences. There is no way you could unintentionally be this obtuse!

When only applied to production kernels and software redhat had 7 vunerabilities as opposed to Windows 44.

71 posted on 01/12/2006 1:51:02 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3
When only applied to production kernels and software redhat had 7 vunerabilities as opposed to Windows 44.

LMFAO! You guys love to claim how quickly you address problems in open source code -- but now you find it convenient disavow versions which aren't part of a "production kernel". Well, too damned bad. You made your bed, now lie in your mess. When you include all of this multiple-version, widely available open-source Franken-crapware, you have more vulnerabilities than Windows. Period.
72 posted on 01/12/2006 2:02:55 PM PST by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: cabojoe

I think so few own them that the hackers have gone after the 95% windows units for the most vast results.


73 posted on 01/12/2006 2:06:14 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: N3WBI3

Give it up. He obviously doesn't want to compare apples to apples.


74 posted on 01/12/2006 2:52:12 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Bush2000
LMFAO! You guys love to claim how quickly you address problems in open source code -- but now you find it convenient disavow versions which aren't part of a "production kernel".

Why do you imply inconsistencies where none exist? Production kernels are clearly marked as such by their release numbers. The development process in Open source, and I say this only because you are having trouble with obvious concepts, is open. Every line of code put into a feature request or enhancement is seen by the world. If Windows lived under the same model do you think they would have fewer bugs?

When you include all of this multiple-version, widely available open-source Franken-crapware, you have more vulnerabilities than Windows.

its kinda funny that when you include Alpha and Beat opensource software windows production still struggles to keep fewer bugs..

75 posted on 01/12/2006 6:19:57 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: ShadowAce
lol, who can blame him... Would you want to compare apples to apples if you've based your side on the oranges you saw. Its a good look at how poorly some people understand research methodologies..
76 posted on 01/12/2006 6:21:36 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Still Thinking

"That was my first reaction too, but remember that "Windows" is actually an aggregation itself of several members each of two different lines of descent. (W3.1/3.11 > 95 > 98 > 98SE > ME and NT > Win2K > XP Pro/Home > etc.)"

That's a very fair point if they are counting all the various historical versions of windows..


77 posted on 01/13/2006 8:05:13 AM PST by gondramB (Democracy: two wolves and a lamb voting on lunch. Liberty: a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Still Thinking
That was my first reaction too, but remember that "Windows" is actually an aggregation itself of several members each of two different lines of descent. (W3.1/3.11 > 95 > 98 > 98SE > ME and NT > Win2K > XP Pro/Home > etc.)

There's also a cross line at the bottom of your chart, Windows 3.0 > NT 3.1, because NT uses a modified 32-bit version of the Windows 3.1 API.

78 posted on 01/13/2006 3:03:24 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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