Posted on 10/04/2005 10:47:35 AM PDT by N3WBI3
GOOGLE & SUN OFFICE: THE WORLD CHANGES THIS WEEK
[Oct 4, 2005] Google & Sun are to announce an Office Suite based on OpenOffice, and accesible via webbrowser, according to Jonathan Schwartz --President and COO of Sun Microsystems-- (the original title of his post was "The World changes this week").
It's probably the beginning of the WebOS, an Operating System based on the Web.
UPDATED: Some interesting links: :: Sun president: PCs are so yesterday :: Google Office wishlist: seamless Web storage, great built-in search, integration with other Google tools, a truly better user interface, true browser-based operation :: Some web-based Office tools: Kiko, Num Sum, Writely.
UPDATED 2: Google and Sun had agreed to a multi-year pact to distribute Sun's software technologies that offer a potential alternative to Microsoft's dominance of business users' desktops. These technologies are 'Java Desktop' and 'OpenOffice'.
That would be even worse. I wouldn't get within ten feet of owning a computer that couldn't run without being connected to a network.
I grew up, so to speak, in a mainframe shop where everything ran under CICS. It makes some sense in a corporate environment, but otherwise it sucks.
Perhaps in twenty years when the internet is truely everwhere.
Have a nice day
Whats the wind?
Yeah. That is my position as well.
So that was the latest lie. Or is this one a lie too? Too hard to keep up with yours.
JS those of us who have said this is a good idea... oh hell who am I kidding... When *I* ;) say this is a good idea I am talking about at a corporate level.
The nice thing about capitalism is the competition, its survival of the fittest but there are so many environments there is usually aplace for a good idea to survive..
See youre trying to start a flame war by accusing me of something I never said "I'm leaving FR", im not buying it and walking away from this conversation... I do, in my heart wish you a wonderful day...
You said it over and over and over, these are all from you:
So rather then properly architect a data storage solution you want to depend on the cheapest disk dell can send you?
Heres the rub, what if your desktop pukes itself?
But useless is a disk fails..
I hate to break it to you but most corporations today don't want you to save things to your local hard drive
I'm not selling Raid short and having implemented it I know quite a bit about it. One of the things I learned is that it's not foolproof, which of course nothing is, there's ALWAYS a lethal combination of drive loss that can make your data unrecoverable. The more complex and interwoven you setup your Raid of course the more bizarre and unlikely that lethal combination is, but it always exists. And of course the more you you make that lethal combination unlikely the more time and resources you're going to have to put into making and maintaining it, it's the nature of data protection.
I don't like virtual solutions to real problems. And if you're going to cluster small machines and want them to be useful then you need to buy plenty, which is just as pricey as big iron and now you're running into all of your "dell desktop" problems.
Think is fine, can prove is better, feelings are useless. No where have I said Jane the secretary should be put in charge, that more LIES from you. Might as well end it since all you can do is lie and insult.
BS. Logging into to google to run office isn't a local corporate level. It's a pie in the sky pipe dream that fits right along with those who believe in big brother.
And how fast can an African swallow fly while carrying it.
Stu you have come across as knowing raid *5*, which I know is about the most used raid out there but its very limited. I am sorry if I have pushed hard on that point but its what I read out of your post.
Think is fine, can prove is better, feelings are useless.
Well both you an I are spouting opinions, with little proof. And I have found this debate insightful, though we are no closer to agreement.
And you know this how? You can buy, download, and run google earth enterprise server locally on your own lan..
African or American?
How do you even know google is going to release an office suite? I'd worry about that prediction blowing up your face before making any more.
Whether what will be offered? The vaporware you said was going to change the world this week?
Raid 10 is butcher with more layering, but it can still be beaten by the too many ofthe wrong drive dieing, it's just how it is. No system is totally data loss proof.
I see plenty of facts. Centralizing your apps has problems, web apps have problems both from their operating environment (browsers just aren't as dynamic as an OS) and maturity, and really there's not much they are solving in the way of making those problems worth dealing with. A good IT department in a Windows environment (or other network environment, there really isn't anything you can do in Windows that you can't do elsewhere), with good processes on how people store/ publish data can handle all of the potential problems in client server. Software upgrades (or even full on installs) can be pushed to desktop machines through logon scripts and vital data can be stored primarily on fileserver with all the benefits that implies while allowing user the speed of working locally and the better usability of locally installed applications working native to the OS.
The reason thin client is having such a hard time gaining traction over the last 10 years while various companies (including MS for a very short time) were touting it as the next big thing is that it's a solution in need of a problem. Some applications (like ERPs) might work better in that model (though the UI of webapps still needs a dramatic improvement), but most won't and certainly the basic office applications of word processing and spreadsheets won't.
Of course, but thats what backups are for, even if you only run incremental exports every 15 minutes. You don't have to hold them forever just until a full is sent off site. Keep in mind I'm used to huge enterprise setups so we do back up *EVERYTHING*.. We have replication of logs and incrimentals off site just in case the data center is hit by a meteor..
Data sets are getting too big to backup. Terabyte drives are starting to come into vogue, there simply is no effective way to backup a terabyte of data even with good storage media the sheer time in moving that kind of data around is untenable. If you tried to do 15 minute incrementals on that kind of data you'd have your next incremental start before your previous one had figured out everything it was supposed to backup. We're rapidly entering an age where sharing data between sites is going to replace backups, I already know one science lab that does that, they share telescope data with a bunch of other places as part of their regular workings and have abandoned backups, if they lose something they'll just start calling the places they share data with and get it back that way.
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