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Breaking: Possible SAM Attack Against US Plane (right now this is completely unverified)
LGF ^ | 09/17/05 | staff

Posted on 09/17/2005 6:13:51 PM PDT by Perdogg

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To: conservative in nyc

Ok.

Updates appreciated.


121 posted on 09/18/2005 2:05:47 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: muawiyah

I've always felt that was the case.
Having seen many meteors appear over the Atlantic horizon at dusk in late summer/early fall, that would also fit with eye witness accounts.


122 posted on 09/18/2005 4:45:07 AM PDT by Roccus (I have been called a cynical romantic. Also, a romantic cynic.)
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To: Calpernia

WOOF WOOF

Coco

123 posted on 09/18/2005 5:45:08 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (Jr's Journal "Through thick & thin, the fans got my back. Bud team will start kicking butts again")
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To: Perdogg
That illusion was caused by faulty wiring, don't they know.

Sounds similar to TWA-800 eyewitnesses, huh?

Thank goodness we no longer have Slick's Know-Nothing Do-Nothing FBI & Justice to tell us it was probably ball-lightning and go back to our Sunday paper.

124 posted on 09/18/2005 5:52:30 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Cindy

There was also a thread posted....2 days ago? giving an aurora warning.


125 posted on 09/18/2005 6:16:40 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: El Gato

>>> Article says the flight took off at 6:05 PM, but playback of traffic from JFK shows it taking off about 6:40.

Noticed the time since. I was half asleep on FR last night...coupled with a cold. Missed the time. Thanks!


126 posted on 09/18/2005 6:21:20 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Spktyr
They have a nasty habit of going anywhere *but* in the direction of the target - assuimg it doesn't detonate on launch or at some random point in flight (usually close to the launcher, ruining the operator's day).

Some have called the old SA-7 MANPAD system a Redeye missile with Soviet-level quality control. It was cheap to make but its accuracy left much to be desired if the IR sensor wasn't kept in working condition (which was way too true in the hands of terrorists).

127 posted on 09/18/2005 7:07:19 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: de Buillion

While it's likely the missile if it runs out of fuel won't likely hit land if launched from near JFK airport, you forget that the water surface has the consistency of concrete when the missile hits the water at several hundred miles per hour. That would be enough to cause the impact fuse to detonate, and somebody out in Jamaica Bay would have hear the impact.


128 posted on 09/18/2005 7:11:08 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: WestCoastGal

129 posted on 09/18/2005 7:22:05 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: El Gato

Thanks. I saw that, but didn't see any unusual actions.


130 posted on 09/18/2005 7:34:55 AM PDT by milford421
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To: RayChuang88

Even the Soviet Army couldn't keep the IR heads serviced, and the copies are no better. Even when they were working properly, it had no all-aspect capability, which means that the plane has to be heading away from you for it to even think about following it.

From what I've read, even on its best day, the Strela would be decoyed by the sun, a hot car hood, a campfire, or even just hot air and were best used at extremely short range as unguided rounds (and even then they didn't work). The Redeyes were bad, but they weren't *that* bad. Of course, this is why the Stinger came as such a nasty surprise to the Soviets in Afghanistan - they thought that the MANPAD missile was more or less a joke against something like a helicopter.

The good news is that the Stinger absolutely has a "use by" date, and there aren't many on the world arms market.


131 posted on 09/18/2005 7:38:02 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: RayChuang88

"...somebody out in Jamaica Bay would have hear the impact."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So what???
Nobody was interested when a few of my friend saw the explosion on Flt. 587 before it gyrated, started to break-up and eventually nose dived into the Rockaway Penninsular. They were near the sea plane ramps at Floyd Bennet Field and the explosion was almost directly overhead.


132 posted on 09/18/2005 8:03:15 AM PDT by Roccus (Able Dagner? What's an Able Danger?)
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To: conservative in nyc
Whatever happened likely occurred over or near New Jersey. According to PASSUR, the next two westbound departures (one American, one JetBlue) ended up flying in circles over the Atlantic for 10 minutes or so.

Yeh, even though I might have misread the time, I noticed that circling of the next couple of flights.

That's a really cool site, BTW. Do they have the service for other airports? I'd particularly like to see ones along the Panhandle and west Coast of Florida.

133 posted on 09/18/2005 8:41:51 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Calpernia
I was half asleep on FR last night

Well, so where the rest of us. :)

134 posted on 09/18/2005 8:43:51 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato

They may...type in Airport Monitor and the airport you're looking for. There are a number of them.


135 posted on 09/18/2005 8:45:43 AM PDT by milford421
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To: Perdogg

UPDATE...

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003563.htm
"WHAT HAPPENED ON FLIGHT 17? (UPDATED: NO MISSILE, JUST BIRDS)"
By Michelle Malkin · September 17, 2005 11:51 PM


136 posted on 09/18/2005 8:55:48 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: El Gato
There's a complete list of PASSUR airports here.

AWE 17 would have been at least at 12,000 feet and climbing near Colts Neck, NJ, which is about 30 miles from JFK.. The Earle Naval Ammo Depot and Camp Charles Wood are nearby.

The turn to the northwest occurred well after Colts Neck.
137 posted on 09/18/2005 8:58:46 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Cindy

As I said on the other thread, the snow geese are coming back. }:^)


138 posted on 09/18/2005 9:04:30 AM PDT by Roccus (Able Danger? What's an Able Danger?)
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To: Roccus

smiling...


139 posted on 09/18/2005 9:05:24 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Roccus

Not only that, one of the regular showers was starting that very evening.


140 posted on 09/18/2005 11:11:30 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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