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LA Levee Eng.: No Amt will make present levees safe!
9/12/05 | Me

Posted on 09/12/2005 6:48:20 PM PDT by NickatNite2003

Did yo hear the interview with the engineer whp has been working on the Levees for a long time, discussing why the Levees busted, what it would cost to fix them and how..

And hear him say, that no amount of repair or "u[grading of the present New Orlkeans Levee system, will ever be able to protect the city from a force 5 or 4 class Hurricane? Basically said that the whole levee system would have to be redesigned and built anew to be able to properly protect the city from a future reoccurance, and his optimistic estimate with all the money in the world.. it would take at least 10 years?


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To: marvlus; All

Well, in my opinion, considering we are looking
at another 28 odd years of strong Hurricane
seasons...i think it's a prett7y good chance...
or a pretty bad one depending on your perspective.

When you look at the globe, and you see the path that hurricanes take, has it never crossed your mind that
the hurricanes and our southern coastlineseem to fit
each other hand in glove..like the lil ol itty bitty
Hurricanes over the millenia, had *cut* the Gulf
of Mexico, into being? So yes...i do get a feeling
that New Orleans will get hit againm and in the next
28 years..maybe within the next 28 days.


81 posted on 09/12/2005 9:23:30 PM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: tarheelswamprat

Did I make a funny


82 posted on 09/12/2005 9:24:53 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: Paladin2

Not in my Backyard !!!!!

(Common Liberal Elite Mantra)

:)


83 posted on 09/12/2005 9:26:20 PM PDT by DragonMarine (Capitalism works, but it has to be paid for. (From the halls of Montezuma...))
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To: NickatNite2003
Basically said that the whole levee system would have to be redesigned and built anew to be able to properly protect the city from a future reoccurance, and his optimistic estimate with all the money in the world.. it would take at least 10 years?

Now you have gone and done it! Giving the government new plans and projects.

I suggest instead, that we buy the Great Wall of China, trnsport it here, to the Port of New Orleans of course, and re-erect it on top of the levees from beginning of the river to the end, or until we run out of wall. China might be in a mood to deal if we throw in a secret or two.

84 posted on 09/12/2005 9:43:44 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: evad

If you look at them you can see why they broke. A bunch of oversized freeway barriers sitting on top of a mud bank. The minute water goes over the top ... mud gets washed away and voila ... no levee.

REAL levees on critical points along rivers must be covered completely with concrete to keep them in place. What NO needs is a concrete wall akin to a damn around the whole thing.


85 posted on 09/12/2005 9:55:21 PM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over TWO YEARS now)
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To: WOSG

Dredge and fill. Done all over the world now.


86 posted on 09/12/2005 10:01:04 PM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over TWO YEARS now)
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To: street_lawyer
I'm wondering why the EPA would allow someone to rebuildin a floodplain?

They are building on flood plains 2 miles from where I live.

87 posted on 09/12/2005 10:58:55 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: tarheelswamprat
Last week I posted an analysis of the science of this on several threads. If you're interested here are some links:

Why a barge didn't break the levee

I don't see how this would apply to a concrete retaining wall inside the canals. I must note that I don't know for certain (and have been unable to determine) if the failure that the barge was involved with was an earthen levee or one of the concrete retaining walls. If it was one of the concrete barriers I could easily imagine that a barge could destroy it just as easily as eroding its base could.

88 posted on 09/12/2005 11:18:08 PM PDT by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.-Adm H Rickover)
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To: All

I know one thing for sure..if i lived in
one of the lower (poor) districts, and i got
*out* of New Orleans...I'd *never* go back...
certainly not to live there.

It's a death trap waiting to happen again.


89 posted on 09/13/2005 5:06:36 AM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: mercy; uglybiker
What NO needs is a concrete wall akin to a damn around the whole thing.

Some type of substantive reinforced structure does seem to be in order here. It seems as though mud just doesn't hold up.

It would be interesting to inform the public as to what the Army Core of Engineers has recommended over the years and WHY it wasn't done.

It's also interesting that the point of the levee break had recently been reinforced.

90 posted on 09/13/2005 5:55:10 AM PDT by evad ( PC KILLS--NOLA is just the latest example)
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To: Petronski
BOHICA

Mark Scott fan were we?

91 posted on 09/13/2005 5:57:50 AM PDT by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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To: WOSG
Simple yet profound solution:
Build New Orleans 15 feet higher!!!

Profound indeed.

When one of the first articles came out titled "NO has Sunk", my simple reply was "Raise It".

I also think they should forget about keeping the water out and instead concentrate on diverting it.

92 posted on 09/13/2005 5:58:29 AM PDT by evad ( PC KILLS--NOLA is just the latest example)
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