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Looking for advice on a gun for self defense in the case of roaming gangs of looters.
personal notes | Sep 2, 2005 | putupjob

Posted on 09/03/2005 5:42:27 PM PDT by putupjob

I see from New Orleans that when the social order breaks down, we are responsible for our own defense. I am planning on getting a firearm with the correct training that will be stashed away in a crawl space, never to be used unless a dire situation arises. The scum looters can come for me, that's fine, but I am going out in a blaze of glory.

I am seeking advice on what I should get. A handgun, a rifle? I'm sure there are big time gunners on freep and I could use some solid advice. Thanks.


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To: msf92497; putupjob
I'd recommend a stand-off weapon as well. Scoped Remington BDL in .300 win mag

Yep. Beat me to it. Also consider a back-up pistol you're comfortable with to transition to for inside confrontation if/when the shotgun runs out of shells.

41 posted on 09/03/2005 5:53:59 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (Proud parent of a Western State honor student.)
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To: DownInFlames

Negative, never shoot at something you don't intend to kill....buck shot does that...squirrel shot just makes them mad and gives them a chance to use their own guns.


42 posted on 09/03/2005 5:54:05 PM PDT by LOC1
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To: putupjob

A shotgun if you're NOT going to be proficient in shooting, or if you think you'll need to hit a large area at one time, as a defensive weapon.

A pistol if you want to carry it with you anywhere, but only if you're willing to train with it and get any permits needed. Pistol also if you want it in a drawer where you can get to it if you need to, or if you want something easier to carry versus a shotgun.

A revolver if you want something you don't have to clean as often, but want to keep it for protection.

An automatic pistol if you want the latest or greatest in firepower. But only if you are willing to work and train with it, including cleaning it often.

Go to a few gun stores and ask. The salesman will be more than happy to compare the advantages and disadvantages of each.



43 posted on 09/03/2005 5:54:29 PM PDT by Morgan in Denver
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To: putupjob

One more very important thing.

Don't just buy guns. Go to a range and become proficient. When it comes to using it, it's you or them. Be prepared to use them. Don't second guess yourself. If someone is intent on attacking you, end it.


44 posted on 09/03/2005 5:54:34 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: putupjob
Mossberg pump action shotgun

#50517 500® 12 gauge w/Ghost Ring Sights, 6-shot capacity, parkerized, 18.5" length barrel, field synthetic stock. ...MSRP $468

45 posted on 09/03/2005 5:54:50 PM PDT by Covenantor
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To: putupjob

A shotgun. You can't miss, it won't go through the wall and kill your neighbor, and it looks and sounds intimidating.


46 posted on 09/03/2005 5:54:52 PM PDT by week 71
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To: putupjob

I don't understand why you are going to stow this in a "crawl space". My 20 guage short-barrelled Mossberg is on top of my armoire loaded with the safety off. (I live alone)

Even if I didn't live alone, I wouldn't put it in a hard to reach spot--though I'd have the safety on. The children in my extended family are taught about firearms at an early age. They don't think of them as toys to mess with.


47 posted on 09/03/2005 5:55:09 PM PDT by Sue Bob
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To: putupjob
I keep a pump shotgun at the store and at home, both readily accessible should the need arise. First two through the tube have bird shot - yeah, I know, just annoys people, but it also gives them second thoughts. It also doesn't go quite as far through walls. Following are four rounds of double O buck. Strapped to the barrel are two more rounds of bird shot in green tubes, and four slugs in red.

If I need more than that, I've got the boxes, but it is also time for me to think about bugging out at that point. That's the second thing I like about shotguns - no one wants to follow someone who is shooting one.

The third thing is - go ahead and try to do a ballistics match. I don't drag folks into my home.
48 posted on 09/03/2005 5:55:11 PM PDT by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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To: putupjob

Either An 870 with 18" barrel or a shorty AR-15 flattop with red dot scope.


49 posted on 09/03/2005 5:55:17 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: putupjob

A shotgun. You can't miss, it won't go through the wall and kill your neighbor, and it looks and sounds intimidating.


50 posted on 09/03/2005 5:55:42 PM PDT by week 71
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To: LOC1
Ditto.

But even a 12 gage 3" mag. No. 6 load has twice the momentum of a .44 mag. pistol round. If you are an apartment dweller with concerns about where the next door neighbors may be standing when you open fire it may be a better choice.

I have a Stoeger double and an 870 pump. The Stoeger is loaded with No. 6, the Remmington has 00. I figure if I miss with the little one I'll at least distract any uninvited visitors long enough to grab the 870.
51 posted on 09/03/2005 5:56:12 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (San Francisco - See It Before God Smites It.)
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To: marmar

I don’t doubt you; it’s just that with technology today, why risk it. If the perp is outside your house or running away – let them go. Unless you or yours is under direct threat, it’s not worth the hassle.


52 posted on 09/03/2005 5:56:13 PM PDT by always vigilant (Ignore their heathen prayers and help us blow those bastards straight to hell. - Mel)
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To: marmar

with tongue in cheek i would imagine. a bloody spot in the yard with a blood trail into the house would be hard to explain.


53 posted on 09/03/2005 5:56:31 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: putupjob
I can see this turning into the standard 2000 post thread

Either a Rem 870 (my favorite) or a Mossberg shotgun. Get at least 500 shells for it. If you find yourself in a situation where you need to get it out of storage, then you're in a situation where 500 rounds may be what you wind up needing to get you through the next few days

YOU NEED TO PRACTICE WITH IT REGULARLY and clean it after each practice. When things have gone south is NOT the time to be familiarizing yourself with it. It's also NOT the time to discover it has rusted up since the last time you looked at it.

A shotgun (or any firearm) is NOT a magic wand which will visit destruction on any and all bad guys in front of you once you pull the trigger. You DO have to aim the damn thing. More importantly, you have to know how to correctly pump it, and have this be ingrained in your muscle memory, or you will short-stroke it, it will jam, and the bad guy will then insert it up your rectum

Once you've gotten your shotgun, also get a small, reliable, concealable handgun. A Ruger .357 Mag snubby would do nicely. You need it for WHEN your primary gun jams on you at the worst possible time, and also for inconspicuous firepower should you need to go get supplies during a time of unrest and disorder

54 posted on 09/03/2005 5:56:57 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
The best home defense firearm is a 12 gauge pump shotgun. Remington 870 is commonly available and at a reasonable price. No reason to get one with a long barrel either. A 20-inch barrel is plenty.

You just saved me some typing. I would add that you need to take any plug out and I prefer 00 Buckshot in the chamber followed by another, then a deer slug, two more 00 BS and the sixth another slug.

55 posted on 09/03/2005 5:57:19 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (I'm a Conservative but will not support evil just because it's "the law.")
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To: Americanwolf

Kimber custom classic 1911 with meprolight sights and a Mossberg 590 7 shotwith ghost rings for backup loaded with 5 oo buck follwed by 2 rifled slugs(for when they get so close you can't miss!


56 posted on 09/03/2005 5:57:43 PM PDT by gc4nra ( this tag line protected by Kimber and the First Amendment (I voted for McClintock))
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To: always vigilant
Your a good person.....I am single (girl) and live alone in PX. If they are at door they are not getting in if I can help it.
57 posted on 09/03/2005 5:58:38 PM PDT by marmar (435th CASF Germany helping bring the Wounded Warriors home........)
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To: putupjob
Get a shotgun. Do NOT keep it in a crawlspace. You'll never find an intruder there.

Use buckshot or slugs. Aim for the center of mass. Point and click.

Depending on where you live, you may either be deemed a hero (as would be the case in Iowa) or be required to spend $40K defending yourself before a grand jury, no matter if the thug you bump off ran over 20 nuns on his way to break into your home (as would be the case in California).

58 posted on 09/03/2005 5:58:54 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: drlevy88

LOL......


59 posted on 09/03/2005 5:59:01 PM PDT by marmar (435th CASF Germany helping bring the Wounded Warriors home........)
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To: stm
I am jelous I have a Auto Ordnance 1911.... My Brother has a Kimber 1911

So I am no feeling slight inadequate
60 posted on 09/03/2005 5:59:49 PM PDT by Americanwolf (To all in the States of MS, AL, and LA effect by Hurricane Katrina my heart and prayers to you all!)
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